Jeffries V Braddock?

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  1. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    Which fighters over 6 feet 2 did Jeffries face?
    I can only find 1, Bob Armstrong who was basically sparring partner level.
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    Not many/ Ruhlin was 6' 2", if we're talking about actual quality opponents.

    Gus was probably more skilled than Braddock IMO, but not nearly as resilient.

    Bob Armstrong was actually supposed to be a quick KO for Jeffries, before he then would fight someone else, but he was much more competitive than expected. Jeffries was green though.
     
  3. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    Six feet two,but not over that.
    This is what I was replying to.
    "Jeffries fought against taller, longer and quicker fighters than him"
    Braddock is listed as 6'2" and a half.
    As precocious a talent as Jeffries was , I think the Armstrong match up was a bit ambitious for Jeffries at that stage of his career.
     
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  4. 70sFan865

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    Ruhlin was taller, longer and heavier than Braddock. Jeffries handled him without much troubles.
     
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    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Any interesting notes about their fight?
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Jeffries broke his thumb in round one vs Armstrong. Armstrong was 6'4" tall with a 79" reach.

    His best wins are Slavin, Butler and Martin
     
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Not relying on Box Rec. You the guy who said so and so was 0-0. As Bit pointed out that's not accurate. So who's relying on Box Rec?

    Johnson style was not to risk much, Munroe could hit. How do you know Johnson did not try to stop him? Can you prove that?

    I think the board has seen your type before, if you know what I mean :)
     
  8. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Member Full Member

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    I enjoyed reading all the posts. I have a reaction to some of the points made on both sides.

    "Bob Armstrong was sparring partner level."

    I think this unfair. Armstrong was erratic, but KO'd Denver Ed Martin, Frank Slavin, and Joe Butler. I see him as a worthy and even dangerous opponent for a young fighter on the way up.

    Concerning the film of Johnson-Jeffries, "Ali vs Larry Holmes, Same thing."

    No. I don't think so. Ali lost every round to a younger, faster opponent, but still showed decent boxing skills. His body no longer allowed him to effectively use those skills. This would also be my take on Louis against Marciano. Jeffries looks far worse in that he doesn't seem to have any coherent strategy or possess basic boxing skills. It seems what he really had going for him was being bigger and stronger than the field in his era.

    "Ruhlin was taller, longer, and heavier than Braddock. Jeffries handled him without much trouble."

    Ruhlin seems slightly heavier. Other than that, I don't see much of a size difference. But the films show Braddock has basic boxing skills. The film of Ruhlin is limited, but what there is doesn't show much. He might have had the fight taken out of him by Jeff's body work. Perhaps film of other rounds or other fights would show more, but that is all guesswork. I know Braddock has decent skills and obviously the heart and chin to stand up to big punchers like Baer and Louis. Ruhlin is simply not proven on that level. To credit him on Braddock's level is to assume facts not in evidence, as they say in court.

    The point about Ruhlin is also valid I think for Jeffries. The film is very limited. It shows a big and strong man for the time with a hard left, but there is no sign of much defense, a good jab, or an overhand right. It looks to me that Jeff is a man who has to rely almost completely on out-toughing his opponent. I think this would prove chancy when matching him with more skilled men from later decades.
     
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  9. Seamus

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    The Tale of the Tape for the Louis fight lists Braddock at 6-3 with a 78" reach, pretty much exactly what Ruhlin was.
     
  10. 70sFan865

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    Fine, then he's the same height and reach and higher weight. Jeffries still destroyed him.
     
  11. Rainer

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    Ruhlin was a half inch shorter than Braddock and usually about 6lbs heavier than the heavyweight version of Braddock.Jeffries did indeed handle Ruhlin without much trouble,and he may very well have handled others of his size, and bigger with same the ease but because they were not around, he didn't and we have to go by who he did actually fight ,don't we?
     
  12. Rainer

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    You're relying on Box rec if you say Johnson could not hurt Munroe and that he couldn't finish him.I have the round by round reports and they say categorically Johnson eased up after flooring Munroe who went into survival mode.
    What do you have? If you anything that points to the contrary please produce it ,we are all here to learn!
    No I don't know what you mean please enlighten me.
    You say it isn't accurate, yet you produce no other opponents for these men.To make your assertion stick you must do so,the burden of proof is on you not me.
     
  13. Rainer

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    Nope ,Ruhlin was six feet two inches.
     
  14. Rainer

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    Yes Jeffries broke his left thumb in the first round , he did very well in the circumstances .Armstrong usually failed when matched against the very best,but he was a defensively clever fighter, with size and some power,its a very creditable win for Jeffries so early in his career. The chink in Armstrong's armour appears to have been his chin, which was none too sturdy.With two good hands Jeffries might have stopped him.
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

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    He was a decent fighter, the sort you'd expect to give an up and comer a hard fight, but I think he was a long way below the level of Ruhlin. From what I've read of the fight, I get the impression a lot of it was how green Jeffries was. Both Jeffries and Sharkey were said to have improved a ton between their first and second fight, and the Armstrong fight was not long after the first Sharkey one. That might also explain a bit of a poor performance.

    Yank Kenny is a decent win of Armstrong's, one of the bigger fighters of the period.
     


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