Jeffries v Byrd

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Boucher, Dec 29, 2010.


  1. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Indestructable Boilermaker v Chris Byrd, the cagey, elusive, light hitting ,but points scoring defensive specialist.
    Would Jeffries eventually wear him down ,with that left hook to the midriff ?
    Or does Byrd, smother the Californian's offence , nullify his power,and take a dec?

    Oh,and its 15 rds .Modern gloves etc.
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Byrd by UD, since the rules are in his favour. It was a different sport back then. Hard if not impossible to compare. You could also ask who would win between Mike Tyson and Fedor Emilianenko in a boxing fight.

    Make it a fight to the finish or a 25 rounder and with small gloves and the ref allows extensive clinching and other things allowed back then and Byrd stands no chance.

    Different sports.
     
  3. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jeffries went 25 rds ONCE. 23rds,once, in a fight he was losing,he was 24 ,his opponent 10 years older,and 30lbs lighter .


    20 rds, 3 times two of which were draws, he was never in a finish fight.

    Byrd conceded lumps of weight to nearly all his adversaries ,and in his prime years ,from 1995 -2000 , was stopped ONCE ,by Ibeabuchi who out weighed him by 36lbs.
    I think Byrd has a good chance against Jeffries in ANY scenario, certainly as good as a 188lbs 34 year old Corbett, who was coming out of a 2 year retirement.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that the Jeffries of the second Corbett fight would probably either break Byrd down and stop him late or take a decision.

    Now I wonder if Pachilies or Turnipr will go as far as to pick Byrd to KO Jeffries
     
  5. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd pick Jamie Fox to KO Jeffries
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You would probably be a greater threat to the reputations of the old timers if you actualy argued for plausible scenarios where they lost.
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How do you come to that conclusion?

    Byrd was nowhere near as fast as Corbett, Not as strong as corbett, probably didnt hit as hard as corbett, definitely didnt move as much as corbett. Byrd is a very good and underated fighter though, but i cant see him matching up to jeffries. His parrying style will not work with Jeffries. I know Byrd is similar to Johnson, who did dominate old Jeffries, but he has nowhere near the power to control the clinches and wear down jeffries that old johnson had. Young Jeffries does enough to stop Byrd early, without ever being in too much trouble, while ancient Jeffries makes a very good fight of things, and wins a razor close and controversial points decision.
     
  8. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You base Corbett's abilites on what, less than 5 minutes of footage?
    I don't say Jeffries would not win ,what I think is Byrd has a shot at beating him based on his style and the styles that gave Jeffries trouble.
    Why would young Jeffries stop Byrd early?
    He could not stop chinny Joe Choynski in 20rds.
    Nor ,34 coming out of 2 yrs retirement, past his best Corbett, and one was a super middle, one a cruiser.
    Ancient Jeffries ? Do you mean the comebacking Jeffries? He would get a drubbing imo.He looked **** poor, sparring with a prehistoric Choynski.
    Byrd' prime weight is 215lbs,and only Ike managed to stop him during that prime.
    Does Jeffries hit harder than Tua,Wlad, Vitali?
     
  9. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  10. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That was my first thought ,but Tua did not do it ,and though probably nowhere in Jeffries class,he fought at a faster pace.Jeffries, against Ruhlin appears to be forcing things , making the fight but still having some difficulty against the back pedalling Ruhlin,true he did catch him and nearly broke him in half with his left, but Ruhlin was not as elusive as Byrd.
    Byrd,did not take many shots flush,I think he has a good chance of going the distance,as he did with Wlad,Vitali ,and Tua.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    That's my pick. Byrd took some frightful shots in his career from guys who were proven big time hitters against world class, modern behemoths... i.e. guys who probably hit a lot harder than Jeffries.

    I see Byrd wearing down, beating up and cutting up Jeffries until the ref either or a sympathetic corner stops it
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I certainly wouldn't be shocked if the fight went the distance, but I don't think that the version of Tua that Byrd fought kept him under more pressure throughout the fight than Jeffries would.
     
  13. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see your point ,though I don't necessarily agree with it.
    My question is ,why does the chin that held up against Tua,Wlad ,and Vitali, fail against Jeffries?
     
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It dosn't.

    Jeffries was all about taking the body away. He hardly ever seems to punch above the neckline, just focusing on body attack. While he needed rounds to implement his strategy, it always seems to have broken his opponents down untill they just faded away.

    His opponents were generaly in a horible state after the fight.
     
  15. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jeffries was in a horrible state after a few fights too.
    Four opponents went the distance ,one of them twice ,and he was nowhere near the defensive fighter Bryd was ,[Sharkey],in fact he fought with his face, yet he managed 45rds with Jeffries ,and some thought he won the first fight.
    Byrd is a good 25 lbs heavier than Sharkey, and 4 inches taller, true he was no puncher ,but he was no face first brawler either.