Jeffries v Byrd

I doubt there are ultra runners over 200lbs, for 1 thing such training would bring their weight right down.

As for injuries I'm sure during your training you've picked up your fair share, I read the accelation of force increases body weight impact by 3times so you can imagine if your constantly putting 450lbs force on your joints, how it compares to putting 660lbs of force on the joints. Then imagine you don't have your supportive trainers

Anyway according to some training journals he did running and sparring on seperate days

 

What? I think you really need to explain this. Why wouldn´t he have the physical capabilities to do it?

Yes, but Johnson´s defence relied heavily on cathing the opponents fists in mid air, have you ever seen Byrd doing something like that? Under the rules stipulated here, Byrd wins. Jeffries has a chance though. Under Jeff´s rules Byrd stands no chance though.

 

Firstly, **** you. You know nothing about my training. You have the cheek to call me a liar.
I've worked with elite marathon runners who do 120 miles a week. I've heard of some who do 150 a week. 70 miles would be a very low mileage for an elite marathoner.

My joints are fine, thanks for your concern.

Now you're talking crap again.
Firstly, 10 miles can be run at an exhausting pace just as 3 miles can. If you push yourself to the limit, running at a race pace, 10 miles will eventually be as taxing on the heart and respiratory system as any 3 miles.
There are different benefits from one to the other, I agree. Jeffries ran 10 miles, and again you show your ignorance when you dismiss him as knowing nothing. I think you'll find he was an extremely well-conditioned individual.
Running 3 miles isn't going to suffice for explosiveness either, so I'm not sure why you mention it. Obviously there's other training exercises that cover explosiveness, and boxing-specific.

You'd do well to listen to some of the people here when discussing training and conditioning, and approach this stuff with an open mind. You might learn something. Your narrow-mindedness is unnecessary. I say that as someone who makes his living in the field.
I don't bull****, and I base what I say on my own practical experience .

Secondly, Jeffries ran 10-12 miles largely to get the weight off, and keep it off.
Now, do you want to try telling us 3 miles would be better for burning the excess fat than 10 ?

 

RAther than quote like mad, i have the following questions/comment directed mainly at powerpuncher but also others:

1. Are we seriously suggesting that Jeffries must be lying because he couldnt have done this training because it might have hurt his joints?

2. Without being denigrating to ultra marathon runners, i have to ask how much money is there to be made from this sport. ie is it really as professional as boxing was, where many of the participants are relying on it to rise from poverty and make a living, or is it more of a part time hobby for the vast majority, with very few people relying on performance to earn their living. And if so, is it possible that the reason many of these people dont do so many miles is more other factors such as time, etc than the fact that it wouldnt be more beneficial.

3. How many miles did the better and fitter more modern fighters do? In particular i am thinking of Muhammed Ali who seems to be the agreed standard bearer. I am pretty sure that prime Ali did an awful lot of miles and certainly more than 3 miles. Is this not correct?

4. If it has been agreed by powerpuncher that peeling off the weight is an advantage in an ultra marathon, would it not make sense that the same applies in a boxing ring. Is it not harder for bigger heavier fighters to haul their frame around the ring (even for 10 rounds). I think this is why most modern fighters state their need to come in lighter. I really think most people here often get confused with the advantages of size, as opposed to natural size. Increasing power is great, but it should ideally be done as much as possible without increasing weight.

5. I still pose the question, how much would Byrd (and for that matter most other modern heavyweights) weight if they trained the way Jeffries did?

6. this modern phenomenan of focusing on weights and against conditioning pretty much seemed to start in the 80s and get worse after this. Why is it that this is pretty much the time that most seem to agree that standards in boxing started to drop (barring a brief stint in the 90s, where one of the most successful fighters was an ancient, overweight, slow as moluscs 70s fighter who had stamina problems in his prime but suddenly solved this problem by "pacing himself"). Is it not probable that the change in focus from lengthy distance training to shorter power based training, since 1980 might have actually been a bad thing. Especially when the agreed best figthers like Louis, Ali, Marciano etc all saw conditioning as the more important factor.

And finally if all or most of this is correct, isnt Byrd trying to overcome quite a lot here?

 

For the vast majority of ultra runners including elite ones, it is a hobby that is fitted in around a 9-5 job. That is true even of most competitors in the toughest events, such as the Badwater ultra marathon.

You can get sponsorship but you have to be close to the pinacle of the field to get it.

 

1. :|

2. Yes, like who, this is unusual for the elite marathoners I know of

3. Ofcourse they are, sitting at your PC typing should cause them little issues

4. I suggest reading up on VO2 maximalisation, 3miles is optimal for VO2 max, 10miles doesn't maximise VO2 levels, it helps but not as much as max 3miles pace, its scientific fact, read up

5. Who knows what Jeffries did, the stories of him are hype and we've all heard men and their friends/fans hype up their gym achievements. 99% of men can't bench press near what they claim, we know many of Jeffries claimed feats are nothing but pure BS, who knows what was real?

6. No it maximises VO2 levels and utilises far more muscles due to the faster pace

7. I make a living in this field, and very a good 1, I do have an open mind, just not to idiocy

8. 10mile trainer actually burns off muscle and did you know high endurance activity actually promotes fat storing hormones - scientific fact. Although yes ofcourse higher milage will burn more calories

 

1. Well the issue is there are myths and lies surrounding Jeffries and many men lie about their physical abilities, their bench press, their **** size etc. The 14miles run with a calf on his shoulders is a clear example of bull****. Running 8-14miles daily would leave little energy to focus on boxing training, it would weaken him, make him lose strength, make him less explosive

2. I don't think there's allot but there is is a great deal of money in marathon and 10k running and their mile times are nearly twice as quick as Jeffries claimed. These athletes run a much shorter number of miles than the number Jeffries claims to run

3. I read Ali ran 3-5miles

4. Your assuming peeling off weight is an advantage, it isn't, peeling off muscle mass weakens you. If Jeffries trained down to 150lbs would he be better? Ofcourse not

5. Your assuming he doesnt, many modern boxers run 8-12mile runs, it doesn't make it a great idea because like Jeffries they'd run it at a slow pace. The best conditioned HW boxers today, the Klits, run 800m intervals

6. Conditioning training isn't forgoted. You won't see many better conditioned HWs in history than the Klits, or in other weight Mayweather and Pacquaio

7. Foreman's whole 90s success was based on 1 lucky punch against a weak champion, well maybe a couple of them

8. This isn't really true, a great deal of Ali and Louis's training was based on explosive boxing. Ofcourse they worked on conditioning

9. Its not all true and I think Byrd's defense/speed/accuracy give Jeffries problems and frustrate him. Byrd is also vastly more tested against 200lb+ men and was very hard to hurt for many of those big punching men