Jeffries v Byrd

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possibly one of the biggest bull**** that i did read ever.

 

I agree. But even if he didnt run these full distance, he did run close to it, and if he didnt, many of the other fighters of the time are reported. I dont think it would make him lose strength. And even if it did, wouldnt that make the sparring training done later in the day be worth twice as much. Presumably the long road miles would scale down and stop as the fight encroached, so i doubt the tiredness would hinder on the night performance.

What goes into a usual marathon runners training? (top class)

thanks. Any how idea how this would compare to most of the average heavyweights from today. I am thinking more about guys like Sam Peter, Toney, Dimitrenko, Chagaev, Haye etc

I agree that there is a point. I would have thought Jeffries would have reached this. I am not so sure what Byrds would be that is my point. I am thinking maybe quite a bit less than what he fought at and maybe even below 200, like most of Jeffries opponents. Tua is a great example of an inshape fighter who would have benefited from more conditioning and weight peeling as you put it.

Personally, I actually agree with this. In fact, it is my belief that the 400 m is one of the best for fitness, and that interval sprinting is a much better way. The Klits are in fine physical condition (all time great in fact, imo). I am of the belief that this conditioning is the most important trait they own and one of the main reasons that setts them apart from the rest of the pack.

Which modern heavyweights run 8-12 milles a day?

But the guys you have mentioned stand out over and above the pack and imo physical conditioning (at least for the klits) is one of the main reasons.

Which ever way you look at it, he was a top 5 fighter wasnt he? I doubt old foreman cracks the top 10 in the 70s. Certainly not the top 5.

They both worked a hell of a lot more on conditioning and timing than on their strength though.

I really dont see how Byrd is much of a stylistic challenge for Jeffries. Byrd fights in a similar style to Jack Johnson, which was not unusual for Jeffries. Contrary to what has been stated here, Byrd relies not so much on footwork and lateral movement, but on parrying and deflecting primarily. Byrd's defensive techniques are very similar to those of fitzsimmons. And while it is arguable that Byrd may be as strong, he doesnt have the power Fitz had to hurt Jeffries and discourage him. Jeffries will come forward, and as happened with most of the Classy big hitting opponents of Byrd, once Jeffries gets his range and starts landing, he will wear down Byrd and stop him, as happened with Wlad and Ike. The only real question is when. I firmly believe that jeffries has underated speed and power, and he would finish Byrd early, like he did with Monroe (who wasnt as good as Byrd). I can see why others think it would happen late and even why a few would think Byrd might win on points. I dont think it is very likely though. In fact, even if it went to points, i think that Jeffries would be the one pressing the fight and getting the decision.

 

the old foreman( with better stamina, more experience, indestructible iron chin, mentally stronger and who was a ****ing tank who fought holyfield in 1991 and cooney in 1990 would have beat joe frazier and norton(styles make fights), lyle, ellis, chuvalo, quarry, jimmy young, patterson, and he would give the hell to ali 70s, this foreman was more intelligent and he had more stamina , ali 70s was not in his prime.

 

Jeffries would break Byrd down IMO and catch him like ibeabuchi did

 

In Karate there is a way of training, where you totally exhaust yourself by cardio and traditional strength training. After you are exhausted you start training technique and Kumite. The idea behind that is, that when you are exhausted, have no power, strength, dynamics and explosiveness left you need to have perfect technique for it to work. It´s used as a tool to improve your technique. And it worked.

 

You seem to be suggesting that a marathon is at the upper end of the distance running spectrum. This is realy not the case.

The toughest ultra distance event in the UK is probably the Joggle. It is a race from John O Groats to Lands End and in order to get the finishing medal you have to run 55 miles on 15 consecutive days back to back (the first prize is a car to drive home in).

Another race that I have helped to promote is the Malin Head to Mizen Head Ultra where participanta are required to run 30+ miles on ten consecutive days back to back.

I am sure that there is no problem in principle with a 220lb man managing to run a 60-70 mile week.

 

A young man could pull this off for a while but the risk of injury would by astronomically higher than 150 lb. man. Sooner or later the knees, hips, ankles, back would go. I've put a lot of miles in myself, both recreational and competitive, and known at least a dozen world class runners. Given what I've seen, that's just my $.02.

 

Bigger runners are more prone to injuries in my experience, but there is a whole minefield of other factors, that are as or more important.

It is also worth noting, that men of naturaly stocky muscular build dont win any sprints, but they seem to be less prone to injuries because their bodies are more robust.

In distance running the pit pony is king, not the thoroughbred.