JEFFRIES V CHUVALO?

I c your point i just hope u c mine also.
I do have the utmost respect for historian opinions.
Please c my points too especially regarding Johnson fight. We all saw the clips of how a 37 yr old Jeffries got into tremendous shape for the comback fight yet the man still didnt even win 1 minute of that fight. Not one single minute!!!

 

Jeffries looked in good shape for the fight, but he had to shift an awful lot of weight.

The pictures of him refereeing Burns O'Brien pretty much tell the story.

We don't really know how much Jeffries had left, because we have nothing to compare the fight to.

If he had taken a warm up fight against somebody like Kaufman, it would answer a lot of questions.

 

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I don't know what would have happened if Jeffries had fought Johnson, lets say instead of Munro, but I know that he would have gone into the fight a prohibitive favorite.

Even the people who criticized Jeffries for not fighting Johnson, didn't give Johnson much of a chance.

The aura of invincibility that surrounded Jeffries as champion latterly, was as great as there has ever been for a heavyweight champion.

 

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Not seen enough footage of Jeffries so can't really say.

 

He had 18 months to reduce and was down to weight when he came back from Carlsbad. Jeffries returned from Carlsbad on October the 22nd 1909 and announced he weighed 228lbs. On October 26th1909 The Examiner published photos of him looking trim and in shape ,they are in Pollack's book.

Jeffries could have gone into serious training a lot earlier but he was making a fortune with two vaudeville tours,his choice.
"I am sure that Johnson could have beaten Jeffries when the white champion was in his prime.If Johnson fought the battle he did at Reno,Jeffries could never have beaten that black man ,never in the days of his prime".
Referee Jack Welch.
"I believe he could have whipped Jeffries at any time during his professional career"
William Muldoon Champion Wrestler and Trainer.

 

There were actually quite a few heavyweights around who were bigger than Jeffries. He looks like a midget next to Ed Dunkhorts for example.

I think that in hindsight Corbett was one of the best contenders around, if only based on his performance against Jeffries. I cant see many other fighters of the era matching that. Corbett got his first title shot because he was a former champion, and frankly there wasn't that much else to choose from. I think it is fair to say that he did well enough in the first fight to earn a rematch.

Jack Johnson was not a serious contender at the time of the Ruhlin fight, or the second Fitzimmons fight.

Jeffries was entirely correct to defend his title against them.

Johnson first started to be talked about as a serious contender after he beat George Gardiner in late 1902, and he was seen as the outstanding contender after he beat Martin and McVea in 1903.

Jeffries picked up a knee injury after the Corbett fight, which cause the postponement of the Munro fight.

If Jeffries had defended his title against Johnson, realistically it would probably have had to be in 1904.

 

Dunkhorst was shite a punch bag, who are the other heavyweights that were bigger than Jeffries?

 

The Burns v O Brien fight was in 1906,Jeffries fought Johnson in1910!

 

InAugust 1903 when Jeffries defended against Corbett for the second time. Corbett had been retired for 3 years. Meanwhile Johnson had beaten:
Ferguson
McVey
Butler
Childs
Klondike
Gardner
Martin
Russell
Kennedy
Which of them was the more deserving of a title shot? The coming out of 3 years retirement ,near 37 years old Corbett or Johnson?

 

Sandy Ferguson to name one was discussed as a possible opponent for Jeffries.