Jeffries v Sharkey 2Was Jeffries in Danger of being KOd?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Just read an old article by Bob Waters entitled "Worst Decisions",in it he alleges,Sharkey was ahead after 17 rounds ,that Jeffries had his nose broken early in the fight. In the last 5 rounds Sharkey suffered 5 broken ribs,,but in the last round he wobbled Jeffries with a right hand,before he could follow up ,Jeffries right glove came off,and dropped to the canvas,Sharkey looked at the glove ,then at the referee ,Tom Siler,Siler stopped the action ,picked up Jeffries glove and helped him get it back on.The fight resumes,Sharkey lands another big right,again the glove comes off,Siler halts the scrap,puts the glove back on Jeffries,here is the interesting part,at no time did Siler instruct the timekeeper to make adjustments for the two stoppages.The fight ends Waters states "with Jeffries wavering on his feet"."Siler raises Jefries hand in victory,and the crowd went into a frenzy".",Siler had to have police escort him from the ring.
    Later he was to say Jeffries had won the last few rounds ,and in his opinion ,deserved the victory, Waters quotes Siler as saying"it was a 25 round fight ,if it had been 20 rds Sharkey would have been the winner"Since the last round was not filmed,[ they ran out of film],the two men re- enacted the round for the camera,minus the dropped glove incident.The question is does anyone know how much of this is true ,and how much is fable?Was Jeffries close to being stopped ?
     
    mcvey, Mar 28, 2008
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Never heard of it before.

    Hope someone else here knows more about it, though.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The odds are Mendoza can shed some light on it,I knew the glove came off once,its a trick question that often comes up in boxing quizzes , when was the last time a heavyweight title fight featured bare hands?
     
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  4. janitor

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    I think this must refer to the first Jeffries Sharkey fight.

    The acounts that I have read all suggest that Jeffries finished the second fight the stronger and was controling Sharkey with his jab.
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No ,J ,its definitely the second fight,.I have the article before me.Coney Island Nov 3 1899.
     
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  6. janitor

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    This is typical of the acounts I have read.
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  7. mcvey

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    Ive read the accounts ,but this is new stuff to me ,so I thought someone might have some info on it,maybe Mendoza.Bob Waters was a respected boxing journalist who covered the big fights ,dont know if he is still around,[he,s American],but I never read that Jeffries was in danger of being stopped before.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Sharkey pinned Jeffries arm and pulled his glove off in round 25. When the ref picked the glove up, the Sharkey took a murderous swipe at Jeffries. Many viewed it as an attempt to foul as Sharkey's corner man O'Rorke ( Spelling ) gave some sort of signal when it happened.

    Jeffries was never close to going down in the fight, but he did have his hands full in for sure.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Thanks for the info,I doubt that Sharkey hit hard enough to drop Jeffries,as Fitz couldnt do it,but its better to follow things up I feel.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    I think Sharkey hit plenty hard. He is rated as one of Ring Magazine’s top all time 100 punchers, his ring record reads like a puncher ( lots of early KO's, 37 KO's in his 40 wins ), and Ko'd some top rated guys early in Choysnki, Goddard, and Ruhlin. Corbett looked to be in some trouble and might have been KO’d had his second not entered the ring to help him.


    Sharkey was a throw back to a day and age when men came out fighting. If Sharkey missed his man with his fists, there was always his head to ram him with.

    I do think Fitz hit a bit harder than Sharkey though.
     
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  11. janitor

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    One interesting feature of the fight is that Jeffries seems to have shifted to a southpaw stance later on. His left was in a bad way going into the fight which prevented him from using it to jab so he switched stances to jab with his right.
     
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  12. Ted Spoon

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    Fitzsimmons hit markedly harder than Sharkey.

    The 'Sailor' got to his man via shattering their foundations with his wrestling and fouling - that's how he got to Corbett the boxer so well.

    Many reports of the day criticize Jeffries, 'the bigger man', for not ridding of Sharkey, earlier and at all. The papers questioned his killer instinct and strength for a small man like Sharkey to be giving him all he could handle.

    Tom was just tough to the bone, and smothered much of Jeffries work with clinches, although Jeffries won the fight on the basis on cleaner, more effective punching.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    Interesting how a 5'8 180lb Tom Sharkey was able to push around and beat up Big Jeffries for much of the fight. This might make some rethink how bigger better swarmers like marciano,dempsey,frazier would fare against Jeff.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    Shareky was 183 pounds for the fight. Sharkey was not light; he was an extremely well muscled compact fighter without an ounce of fat on him. If you watch the left over flim, Sharkey is the one being pushed around.

    Marciano and Dempsey on average were about 185-187 pounds, which is a full 3-5 pounds heavier than Sharkey was on the night he fought Jeffries. This is not much bigger at all. In fact, Sharkey's tale of the tape was better than Marciano's in many measurements, perpahs all of them save height.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Dempsey weighed187 for Willard and 185 for Miske after that he steadily grew heavier,by the time he fought Firpo he was 1921/2.Likewise Marciano 184 when he won the title, he was up to 188 by the time of the Charles fight.plus Dempsey was over 5 inches taller than Sharkey. Sharkey was a well muscled fighter but Dempsey had biceps as big as Listons ,he was appreciably bigger than Sharkey,had far better skills and hand and footspeed ,plus he was a a terrific banger,he would be a very hard fight for Jeffries I feel
     
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