Jeffries v The Corbett of 1896?

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  1. janitor

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    It was probably a combination of factors.

    Corbett got older, and Jeffries got better.

    With people talking about "Jeffries new found cleverness asserting itself", they are clearly implying that his technique improved.

    Personally I think that Jeffries continued to improve right up to the Munro fight.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    I agree that Jeffries retired at peak. Just he and Tunney if so, although of course Tunney stayed retired.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    I don't think Jeffries would have improved, but if he had stayed selective in his choice of challengers ie only white ones he might have reigned for a further 4/5 years.
    :think
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Well Johnson is the key here. Presuming he loses to Hart he takes three or four years to get back to where Jeffries would have to think about fighting him again, public perception and prejudice being what it was.

    So yes, I think that's likely. If he'd fought on we'd probably be ranking him top 5 now, and top 1 if he'd managed to come back and beat Johnson - as in, retires in 08, fights Johnson in 10 or 11 before becoming too faded. Not likely but not impossible.
     
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  5. Boilermaker

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    I think he would universally be considered very close to number 1, if he had fought and beat a very green Jack Johnson. Say, for arguments sake, if he had fought and beat Johnson instead Choynski or Hart. At that stage he would have been near certain to do so.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    I can't imagine that would ever have happened though.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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  8. mcvey

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    Yet again your shaky grasp of the English language and your rudimentary reading skills have led you to totally misunderstand the question.
    So just for you Rainman, I'll type it again.

    If the Corbett of 1896, the one who drew with Sharkey over 6rounds and was 30 years old had been in the ring with Jeffries for their first fight how would the fight have unfolded?


    Can you comprehend it now?

    Its the Corbett of 1896 against the Jeffries of their first fight.

    Christ you are hard work!:patsch

    Since Jeffries had not fought since being described as a novice against Fitzsimmons just a year earlier, where did this improvement come from?
    Corbett was a month from 37 years old had not fought for a year and a half and had not won a fight for 6 years!
    In other words he was totally shot in their second fight which of course is the basis for the thread,ie how would the 1896 Corbett have fared?
    My contention is that since Corbett was finished when he entered that ring there is no solid basis to attribute the result to an improvement in Jeffries technique. The facts I have posted persuade me I am right and that one line in a newpaper is not sufficient to hang a diametrically opposed argument on .

    Corbett's corner had a pre arranged signal to stop the fight should he be in trouble, they also had oxygen in the corner which he used between rounds, they knew the truth about Corbetts condition and his chances of a victory
     
    mcvey, Feb 17, 2015
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  9. Mendoza

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    You are a dumb man. Remove your biased hat and learn. Jeffries improved a great deal after beating Fitzsimmons. He also improved after facing Choynski.

     
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  10. mcvey

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    You have the reading level of a re****ed chimp and I'm dumb?


    Since the time scale between Fitzsimmons and Corbett was one year and Jeffries fought no one in between where did he learn improved technique ?

    And whilst you are at it ,please provide a quote from Adam that states Jeffries improved in that time period, as you state.
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    You are a very cancerous and sad old man! Learn how to spell " Fitzsinmmons " If you can read, I said I think Corbett wins in 1896, unless is a long fight. I provided quote that Jeffries improved as his career progressed. In fact one could argue he quit the game before he reached his peak.

    There is also a quote from Gus Ruhlin who sat ringside when Jeffries blasted out Joe Kennedy in two rounds in 1901. Ruhlin said Jeffries had improved a good deal since they meet and looked even faster.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    You still don't understand do you ? We are matching the 1896 Corbett against the Jeffries of their second fight. :patsch

    You're sub normal , just like your grammar and punctuation.
     
    mcvey, Feb 17, 2015
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  13. Mendoza

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    Your title does not say which Jeffries. :hi: You should have said Jeffries 1903 vs Corbett 1896 in the title. That would have made it clearer.

    I'd pick Jeffries via KO in 1903 to beat any version of Corbett. Note what the ref said about Jeffries vs Corbett in 1903. Corbett had issues with attacking fighters with power. We saw it the Fitzsimmons, Sharkey and Jeffries fights.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Did you notice everyone else understood ,everyone except you?:patsch

    It's been explained to you twice, I give up you can't educate a moron.:bart
     
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  15. Stevie G

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    Prime Corbett beats prime Jeffries. By a mile on points.
     
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