Jeffries v the Top Lhv's?

Moorer KO1 Jeffries

 

Moore as a HW: Bivins (x4), Valdes (x2), Baker, Sheppard (x2), Slade, Payne, O Smith, Muscato, Kid, Henry, Bacon - Pastrano (D) - Marciano (L), Patterson (L).

I don't count the loss to Ali as he was shot.

 

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What proof do you have to suggest fitz cheated with his gloves?

 

i'll go with wins over moore and foster(on chins) and losses to spinks and conn(on speed/movment), but i assume he could ko all of them IF he lands clean or lose them all if not

 

yeah i think a fair assumption is he could stop them all and all are superior boxers to him.

Conn is the only one I'd bet money on lasting the 15 round distance though. I actually think had he started trading in the 13th like he did vs Louis, he could survive an exchange like that with James.

 

Munroe said he was weighing about 210 pounds after heavy training, but would take on some weight over the next two days and enter the ring at around 220 pounds.

Jeffries claimed to be weighing 225 pounds.

The weights were unofficially announced as 224½ pounds for Jeffries, and 208 for Munroe. The Call said Jeff weighed 225 pounds, while Munroe weighed about 215 pounds. However, Jeff looked much more muscular. The bulk of his weight was above the waist, while Munroe’s was below. The Police Gazette said Jeff weighed about 225 and Munroe 212. Most estimated that Jeff would weigh close to 230 pounds while Munroe would weigh close to 220 pounds.

Since weigh ins were not required for heavyweight bouts, there are no truly official verified weights for the vast majority of fights back then. Fighters or their trainers essentially self reported their weights, or reporters estimated.

 

Foster--suffered 6 ko's in 65 bouts or 1 every 11 bouts--Foster never beat a top heavyweight so it would be a shot in the dark to assume he beats Jeffries, even granting the improvement in technique over sixty years--I take Jeff here

Billy Conn--suffered 3 ko's in 76 bouts or 1 every 25 bouts--Gets a lot of milage at heavy for his performance against Louis, but Louis did stop him twice. His other big wins at heavy were Pastor and Savold, more 190 lb types. Savold was a decent puncher. Pastor more a boxer. If Jeff fights aggresively, the question is will Conn trade as he did with Joe. I think Jeff goes to the body to slow him. Close one, but I pick Jeff.

Archie Moore--suffered 7 ko's in 219 bouts or 1 every 31 fights--as the stats show, Moore was actually pretty tough to stop. He just had a lot of fights, and a lot of tough fights, over a very long period of time. He was easy enough to knock down but hard to keep down. He also is the most proven over the long haul against top heavies, and especially against the big fellows with wins over Valdes, Baker, Lavorante, etc. I think Moore has the best shot AS A NATURAL LIGHTHEAVY moving up to heavy. Could Jeff take his best and wear him out like Marciano? Off the Ruhlin film, I think so.

Michael Spinks--suffered 1 ko in 32 bouts--Introduces a different problem. Spinks as a lightheavy is almost as much a shot in the dark as Foster. He is unproven against heavies but also does not have a record of failure. The fighter who beat Holmes and Cooney was not a lightheavy but a rather big heavy thanks to "modern training method"--drugs. If Spinks has to go back to 1900, I think he loses as he would have to fight as a lightheavy. If Jeffries has to come to 1985, Spinks probably wins as he might well outweigh Jeff (check the Cooney weight vs the 1899 Fitz weight)

 

*then the others mentioned

Fitz--suffered 7 ko's in 97 bouts or 1 every 14 bouts--I was wondering why Fitz is credited with being more durable than Moore. It is true that most of Fitz's ko defeats came as an older man.

Tommy Loughran--suffered 3 ko's in 169 bouts or 1 every 56 fights--I don't know if had the best chin but he seems to have been very hard to catch up with. Was very proven against heavies, including some bigger than Jeff. I see him outpointing Jeff, but Jeff might well maul him like Carnera did. I would consider Loughran as the old lightheavy who has the best shot at Jeff because of record and style.

 

Jefries certainly trained diligently for the fight, but he did not focus as much effort on reducing his weight as in some previous camps, and said that he felt a lot better for it.

 

If you put a gun to my head, I would probably say 208.