Jermain Taylor let Pavlik survive

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by cdsimple, Jan 4, 2008.


  1. cdsimple

    cdsimple Member Full Member

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    That's true, I am a little pissed that my boy got his ass ktfo, but dont get it twisted, Pavlik isnt that great. His nuthuggers are delusional. Dont get me wrong, he has the potential to be a great fighter, but a fully focused JT with a trainer that actually cares about his success in his corner whoops your boy everytime out. JT has too many physical advantages to lose to a guy like Pavlik. Its like Georgia vs Hawaii. The physical ability of Georgia gives them every advantage over Hawaii, but without the correct gameplan and focus, they could have been beaten.
     
  2. Buddy La

    Buddy La Active Member Full Member

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    so Ozell Nelson is gonna be the deciding factor in the rematch?? I don't think it was Steward's fault for Taylor's loss. Taylor should've kept Pat Burns, or at least took him back.
     
  3. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny Steward cared more for Taylor than you do. He was his trainer, he trained him for months. Don't talk crazy.

    The fact is that Taylor is an amazing athlete but mentally not a great fighter -- he often fights the wrong fight and doesn't listen to his corner.

    He doesn't duck anyone, and I respect him for it, but in my opinion, he'll never hold a title again.
     
  4. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pavlik wins by ko sooner this time,unless JT goes into survive mode.
     
  5. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post, but I disagree with your rematch prediction. I would be surprised if Taylor can take Pavlik in fight #2. I just don't think he has that special ability to calculate and make adjustments in the ring the way great fighters do, he relies too much on his instincts. His stamina is horrible too, maybe the extra weight will help the stamina but I doubt it. If he pulls it off though, it would be a huge accomplishment considering how that last fight ended. Like you said, if Taylor can overcome that loss, it would proove that he's a real champion.
     
  6. cdsimple

    cdsimple Member Full Member

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    Yes, Steward had alot to do with why Taylor lost, although you can put all of the blame on him. It ultimately comes down to Taylor in the end.

    Let's look at the facts, Steward is training an up and coming middlewieght prospect that he fully believes in. Steward was not there for the beginning of Taylors career. Steward did not develope a bond with JT like Pat Burns did. If JT wins or loses, it really doesnt matter a hell of alot to Stewart as long as he gets paid because he is banking on Andy Lee anyway. Also, look at how Stew acted during the post fight interview, he basically sucked Pavlik off and disrespected JT right in front of his face.

    And yes, I agree with you, Taylor should have went with Pat Burns, but I give him a better chance with Ozzel than with Stewart.
     
  7. ESAJZ

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    Which fighter are you trying to disparage? Pointing out that JT was tired in the second round and was throwing "wild-ass" punches does not make him sound too stellar.

    You have to give Pavlik credit for surviving that round. Regardless of how he was hurt, to make it though with that much time left took chin, ring smarts, and a will to win. To come back out for the third like nothing happened takes massive recover as well.

    JT did not lose because of Manny. Let's face it, he doesn't even listen to Manny. He lost because he has poor stamina, relies on altheticism and not technique, and failed to capitilize on the one time he was lucky enough to hurt Pavlik.
     
  8. JETSKI

    JETSKI Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hear what your saying, but see above what I highlighted...

    At this stage of the game, JT's physical advantages won't get him over the hump. When you get to the Championship level, its 90% mental, as the old saying goes. And in that department, KP has him beat every time.

    And guess what? I'm here writing about the KP vs JT fight, when my wifes yells to me "Pavlik is on HBO". Here on the east coast at 8pm, HBO just replayed the fight. They are showing all the top fights from 2007. Its always good seeing that one again. Taylor put up a hell of a fight, but Pavlik all around is just too good.
     
  9. audio101

    audio101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Umm he did stick his chin out and was showboating, I don't know why he became so careless but he wont do it again that's for sure. Also I can't believe your still whining about that fight, Taylor got ktfo so deal with it.
     
  10. Still~style

    Still~style Active Member Full Member

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    not really man. pavlik jumped right up and taylor was spent.
     
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    up thred, Pavlik won the fight, deal with it, Pavlik took JT'S best shots and survived but, JT crumbled like a man that was shot outside of a bank when Pavlik layed that Power on him:dead
    And get ready for DE JA VU bEcause Taylor's gonna take another long nap on Feb 16:deal
     
  12. kirk

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    damn you hit it on the head :good
     
  13. Keihule

    Keihule Active Member Full Member

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    The title of this thread is such bull****, JT was beaten by a better, more hungry fighter.

    Period.
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I was never a Taylor fan in the past, but I became one last September 29th. Pavlik is my favorite fighter right now, but damn! JT fought like a like a true champion, and the man went out on his shield like a warrior should. He is also the first Pavlik victim who ever had the balls to ask for a rematch.

    The basics of what the JT supporters seem to be saying is that Taylor lost because he wasn't a good enough fighter to win! To let you know where Taylor really stands as a Pavlik opponent; he lasted aproximately 90 seconds longer than Bronco McKart. One major difference: Bronco got up and wanted to go on, but the ref called it. JT had to ask what happened. Dang: that must hurt!:bbb

    Boo
     
  15. Ilesey

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    Taylor not having the stamina is not the same as letting Pavlik off the hook. :nut

    The fact is Taylor through everything at Pavlik but couldn't finish him off. He was beaten fairly - deal with it. Some people, not me, had Pavlik up or level(ish) by the time of the stoppage and many observers saw a competitive fight, which it was.

    Idiots like you who post on message boards with your in hindsight attitude always make me laugh.

    Thanks. :good