'Jermain Taylor - The brutal truth'

Exactly, Jermain Taylor gets shitted on a lot(Amsterdam, Zakman) but he always makes big fights happen (Hopkins twice, Winky, Ouma, Pav). Fighters have never been ROBBED when they lost or drew with Taylor either. You can make a STRONG case for 7 rounds going to Taylor in both Hopkins fights, and 6-7 against Winky as well. People are acting like he defends his titles Whitaker-Ramirez style.

 

Not 100% sure who's going to win, but go Pavlik, Taylor isn't the right man to wear the crown of undisputed middleweight champion. If the yanks want to back someone they should back Dawson, Dawson is a better fighter P4P than Taylor, Diaconu is also great defence, looking forward to that one and seeing those guys in future.

 

Proof. Well, let's see. There is a longstanding tradition in boxing that you've gotta TAKE the title from the champion - that is, beat him in a CLEAR and CONVINCING manner. Ordinarily, in a close fight - and this was certainly that - the benefit of the doubt is gonna go to the defending champion. This should be even moreso the case in the instance of such a longstanding champ as Hopkins.

Yet, curiously, all of this tradition was thrown out the window in this fight. Instead, the benefit of the doubt from the officials went to the CHALLENGER, not the champion. Why? Well, HBO had invested a LOT of money in their latest "golden boy" and they wanted it to pay off. Just as potent was the longstanding dislike of the boxing establishment for Hopkins. Bernard spoke truth to power - and the powers that be didn't like that. This, combined with the desire of THE most POWERFUL television entity in the sport to have their investment pay off sealed the deal.

The subsequent questionable decisions against Hopkins and Wright just added icing on the cake.

 

You could make a case he won all 2 Hopkins and the Wright fight 115-113.

 

He did win the Hopkins fights, and I hate to say that cause Hops is my favorite fighter of this generation, but Bernard didn't start throwing til about the 7th round in each fight. I scored the Winky fight even the first time I saw it and 7-5 Wright the 2nd time, but hardly a robbery.

 

Uh, the gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright?? :yep Fighting light-hitting small fighters instead of legitimate middleweights??atsch

Have you been following boxing since HBO installed this poser as "champion??":huh

 

No, the subject of the thread describes how others view things that have HAPPENED to Taylor or about things Taylor has done or not done. There is nothing in this thread from you about how Taylor himself has done anything wrong.

 

I don't care about conspiracy theories Zakman. Prove it or I won't bother with it.

Did Taylor judge his own fights? No....the judges would be frauds in your scenario.

Is fighting smaller fighters at MW unusual? Or ANY weight class? No....if this is your logic, nearly everyone is a fraud.

So I ask again...how is TAYLOR a fraud. Not the decisions or HBO which is what you two are on about.

 

What if they rephrase it to, "Taylor is good guy, but outside influences and his qualities as a fighter have turned him into a 'cheese champion'?" :think

 

Your hatred for Taylor is blinding you, I really don't see how you can possibly give Bernard more than 5-6 rounds of their fights. He might have lost the Winky fight but it was no robbery.

So fighting the best Middleweight in at least 20 years, the best Juniormiddle of the last decade, Ouma, Spinks (I know but hell every fighter takes a tune up), and about to take on a HUGE middleweight puncher in Pavlik isn't good enough competition? One could argue that his level of competation has be better than ANY OTHER FIGHTER in boxing today over the last 5-6 fights.

 

How is it Taylor's fault? He's not the judge or HBO...

For someone who claims high intelligence you're awful petty...

 

Because he's not as good as the hypemeisters at HBO make out. He wasn't good enough to clearly beat Hopkins - and without the HBO influence, and Hopkins unpopularity, he wouldn't have "won" the title.

Is this his fault? Not really - in many ways he's just a pawn. But, for better or worse, he's the front man for this corruption, and while it's the corruption I don't like, in order for this blemish to be corrected, Taylor's gotta go.

Luckily, we have an exciting young powerpuncher named Kelly Pavlik who's gonna EMPHATICALLY remove this cloud from the MW division.

I, for one, can't wait!!:happy

 

Again, this doesn't make Taylor a fraud. You are talking about HBO.

 

Jermain Taylor just fights and he fights excellent competition (Marquez, Joppy, Hopkins x 2, Wright, Ouma, Spinks, Pavlik). He doesn't judge his fights and he doesn't say "hype me up."