Jermain Taylor the most overrated overhyped fighter of the decade?

Jermain Taylor "beat" Bhop because old man river was dead at the weight, it was so obvious. Look how fresh he looks now TWO DIVISIONS above.

Hops should have moved up years before he did

 

Pavlik and Abraham not elite? They have a combined one loss to an ATG and a freakish KO percentage for their weightclasses. Hagler had two losses to nobodies before he ever became champion. Hopkins lost his first pro fight to a nobody.

Until someone actually beats Abraham, people can point out his supposed flaws all they want, it is possible that he is a great fighter in the making.

 

Here's the problem: If that's how people feel about Jermain Taylor, then they need to correspondingly adjust how they view Hopkins. You can't have it both ways; if Taylor was never that good to begin with, you can't just ignore that Hopkins then went 0-2 against a fighter that was just OK. If that's your viewpoint, at least be consistent with it; because if Jermain was overrated and not that good, that **** didn't happen in a vacuum and other people need to be re-rated as well. Also, it's like people forget that he's not the only guy to fight Junior Middleweight titlists while he's at Middleweight. It's really not that uncommon.

For the record, I don't agree with the viewpoint that Taylor was never really that good and I think people are taking their frustrations with HBO's hyping process on Taylor, who fought everyone asked of him and has fought as good or better competition over his last 10 fights as anyone in the higher weights. Chad Dawson is getting credit for what Adamek's doing at Cruiserweight, so how is it Jermain seems to actually be getting less credit for the successes Hopkins had at Light Heavyweight following the losses to Taylor?

 

kelly pavlik and arthur abraham are world class fighters...there is a difference between atg and world class.

rjj is in a class by himself.

 

now now :nono that's not what the title of the thread is. what is in bold from your post is pefectly fine and you would have a good argument. calling him the most overrated overhyped fighter of the decade when there are plenty of other guys who never beat a p4p great...twice, as taylor did who had straps is totally different.

hbo did everything they could to hype miranda
is ricky hatton as good as he is popular?
etc.

 

agreed

 

I thought it was Joe Calzaghe think about it Calzaghe beat Hopkins well he was given a split decison. Thats the only real win he has, Jermain did better he beat Bhop twice.

 

your being too critical...i wanted bhop to beat him in both fights as well...but it was close either way. anyone who can have a close fight with bhop has to be good enough... aside from his stamina problems and sometimes lapses in concentration he's a good athlete...good handspeed... great jab when at his best.. an timed uppercut off the jab.. boxing skills... he's not that bad...and he beat the **** outta winky did you see his face after the fight? Winky took some good shots in that fight..and in the Cory fight it was one of the lowest connects for either fighter ive ever seen. He lost to Pavlik and Froch when he ran out of stamina and gas.. he was beating both guys at first. And nothing wrong with losing to a prime Pavlik...dude has some great toughness and determination. And Abraham...who the hell can beat him unless your one of the speediest boxers? (RJ..maybe Ward).. Abraham has a frustrating defense and good timing on his shots and doesnt exchange so its hard to get to him..

 

I think youre being too hard on him. He was a good middleweight and taking Winky to a draw is no easy task nor is decisioning Bhop.

He isnt an ATG at middleweight but for a brief moment he was the best middleweight in the world. His career at the top didnt last as long as HBO would have liked but I wouldnt call him overrated.

 

Good post with good points, but it could be argued very strongly that the version of Hops that Taylor fought wasnt as formidable as the Tarver/Winky/ Calzaghe/Pavlik version.

It was unnatural for him to be fighting at 160 by this point, he was having to conserve energy and hold back. The strength and stamina werent there by then due to him boiling down to 160.
At higher weights this wasnt a factor,hence some impressive susequent performances.

In conclusion-JT didnt face the best version of Hops, and it was STILL a controversial life and death struggle.

Edit:yesihavarm2 made the same point earlier,which i missed.

 

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