Jermain Taylor vs Herol Graham @160

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Jay1990, Oct 8, 2018.


  1. Jay1990

    Jay1990 Active Member Full Member

    938
    193
    Sep 12, 2015
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,654
    16,562
    May 4, 2017
    Taylor`s reach and power would be too much for Graham, Herol wouldn`t have landed all the shots Taylor landed on Wright in their fight, and Graham would have been toyed with by Hopkins, he was a poor man`s Hopkins, he had success vs McCallum but Mike`s body was much better conditioned at light middle, his muscles were more defined and less soft adding to his power and hand speed at that weigt, I didn`t like McCallum`s body above light middle, I feel Taylor would out reach him in a bore snore and if he connected with any power shot then Graham would easily crumble.
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    taylor at his prime was a proven elite and would take a decisio over bomber.

    However his rapid decline would ensure the bomber could take the reverse decision later.
     
  4. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,496
    407
    Oct 28, 2010
    I like Graham in this one. At his absolute best (pre-Kalambay) you could barely hit him; he could throw, sharp, highly unorthodox and hurtful combinations and I think he could make Taylor look quite pedestrian.

    A lot could depend on where this bout takes place. In the US I'm not sure Graham's style would be appreciated by the judges, in the UK Bomber's style was more understood & appreciated and would possibly be more "rewarded" by the judges.

    With a fair shake, I like Graham by a UD.
     
    lloydturnip, Loudon and Smokin Bert like this.
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,560
    36,122
    Jan 8, 2017
    Graham SHOULD win it ,but as he showed he could fall short at the higher level. I have a feeling Graham out boxes Taylor to begin ,then get s caught by him which takes Herol right out of kilter .He then ends up losing a split decision to Jermaine.
     
    Aston Villa likes this.
  6. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,109
    6,926
    Sep 8, 2013
    Jermain Taylor had decent physical gifts. But, his ring IQ is one of the lowest in Middleweight Championship history. I see the crafty Graham making Taylor look silly and coasting to a clear decision win.
     
    lloydturnip, Mod-Mania and Momus like this.
  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,512
    3,109
    Feb 17, 2008
    bingo.

    Where it takes place. And I sure don't see Graham getting his arm raised in say Vegas. And I sure don't see Taylor taking his act on the road---how many popular American fighters ever did? And their winning % was not good either. I think both need home cooking to get their arm raised because it's a decision bout all the way.
     
  8. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,705
    2,882
    Aug 12, 2012
    Taylor didn't hit that hard really.

    My prediction is Graham UD in a very boring one.
     
    lloydturnip likes this.
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

    40,832
    10,212
    Mar 7, 2012
    Herol could be negative at times.

    It’s a tough one to call.

    He was a hard proposition for anyone though. He had a 77” reach, with great reflexes and an orthodox style.

    I don’t think that Bernard would have toyed with him.

    McCallum was a great MW.
     
    lloydturnip likes this.
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    26,622
    17,695
    Apr 3, 2012
    How was his boxing IQ low if he beat Hopkins twice? Taylor knew his limitations, which meant he could beat top fighters with his legs, a jab, right hand, and occasional hook at range. It should be good enough to beat Graham.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    26,622
    17,695
    Apr 3, 2012
    How many times have you seen Pavlik and Froch on the floor?
     
  12. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,109
    6,926
    Sep 8, 2013
    I watched almost every one of his fights. He had a VERY low boxing IQ. Bernard was outworked by a younger fighter, plain and simple. It was a fight that Bernard lost more than one that Taylor won. There was absolutely nothing special about Jermain Taylor. I am sure that Bernard was kicking himself for losing those fights. (And, quite frankly, I had Bernard winning the second fight). Jermain had his hands full with the much smaller Winky Wright and even Corey ****ing Spinks. At middleweight, Graham was far better than both those men. I attended both Pavlik fights, and won money on both, betting against Taylor. Taylor was fortunate that he came around at a time when the powers that be wanted a younger champion to take the mantle from the aging Bernard Hopkins who appeared at that time to be slowing down. Who could have guessed Bernard would keep fighting on for an additional 10 years.
     
    lloydturnip likes this.
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    26,622
    17,695
    Apr 3, 2012
    I'm not sure you follow what I'm getting at. Taylor was a very limited fighter, but he knew his limits and that's why he had success. Same with Deontay Wilder. I'd call that a decent boxing IQ.

    I also don't see a whole lot evidence to suggest thar Graham was better than Winky at 160. Winky totally shut down Tito at 160 in a way thst was absurd even if Tito was past it.
     
  14. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,231
    1,654
    Sep 5, 2016
    Graham on points in a chess match.Taylor often ran out of puff in fights .That would be the difference
     
  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    16,256
    15,313
    Jun 9, 2007