Jermain Taylor was robbed.

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  1. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. Why should he stick around? Are we going to take a quick look at Taylor's record in recent fights?

    He's 2-4 with 3 losses by some variety of KO/TKO.

    He was MW champion of the world. He ended the reign of terror that Hopkins had over the MW division. He was apart of one of the best fights of 2007 against Pavlik. The guy has left his mark on the sport. I'd rather he go out now as a faded ex-champion than as another one of boxing's cruel statistics.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    My wish is not that he had stayed the course and gone 0-3 getting battered senselessly. My wish is that he had been encouraged by those around him (and in the boxing community at large) to at least go with his gut and take this one last shot at Ward's title - especially since a) so many gave him a legitimate chance and b) Ward wasn't going to knock him out; this would have been a boxing match not a slugfest. It was not a massive risk in terms of health (not like rematching Pavlik again at 168 would be, or if he'd drawn Kessler or Froch in the 2nd round)...and the reward...man, he'll never have reward like that dangled in front of him again. To come through all that and become a 2x champ? Historical.
     
  3. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who honestly gave him a legit chance?

    Taylor couldn't beat Ward. There's way too many factors that tip in the favor of Ward.

    I'm sorry but he would've been batted for 12 rounds by heavy handed shots from Ward. Would it be the same as Abraham or Kessler? Of course not...but 100+ power shots is 100+ power shots no matter who's throwing them.

    Taylor just doesn't have it anymore. He starts strong and fades. He runs out of gas, confidence and options too quick for him to be able to really give Ward anything. He got outboxed by Kelly Pavlik. KELLY PAVLIK. Now imagine fighting a better pure boxer in Ward who also happens to be a natural SMW. Not pretty. Ward would've eaten him alive with jabs and the occasional right hook which is enough to drop significant damage on Taylor. Taylor's decline in stamina also would've left him vulnerable to being knocked out (yes by Ward) on account of just accumulation. I have no interest in watching that.

    It wasn't going to happen man. I know it's harsh to say things like never will, can't happen and such and such but Taylor was ill prepared for a tournament like this one. I honestly believe had they given Taylor a legit opponent to "qualify" against, he wouldn't of been able to qualify for the super six.

    Jermain had his moment in the sun but that's gone now.
     
  4. mdr40z

    mdr40z Member Full Member

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    I am so glad he did this!
    His options were few and his chances in this tourney were long shot at best.
    He is a smart man.
    He's got plenty of money, his wife is beautiful, he's got everything to lose and nothing to gain by staying in.
     
  5. I am of the belief that Taylor wasn't that great to start off. He achieved more than he should of and has done well for himself. Very marketable and good to work with which leads to industry and media overhype.

    The fans knew where he stood and they were right on this one.

    Despite not being that great, i have full respect for him as a man and still like to see him fight. I just think the expectation of champion is way too high for Jermain Taylor.

    JT & Super 6 = Tragic.
     
  6. howarya

    howarya Active Member Full Member

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    should have had froch.was his downfall
     
  7. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    This is the key thing about Taylor - he was overhyped from day one. In his entire career he never beat a top rated fighter at his weight clearly. Without HBO, he would have been a solid contender, nothing more. IMO, he didnt belong in this tournament in the first place, so the correct decision has resulted, whatever the cause.
     
  8. knotty150

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    mate there's a big paradox in what your saying here. surely the voiced support from the boxing community giving him a legitimate chance against ward is encouragement for him to stay on?
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well in that case "many" means a large minority...large enough to substantiate that a win over Ward wasn't a total pipe dream as some claim. The majority definitely stuck a fork in him after his last outing and drowned out the voices of support. The fact that they were there just goes to show that there was doubt in at least some people's minds that he was a broken man and vulnerable to having Ward just walk right through him. The prevailing opinion that he stood zero chance wasn't unanimous, just a majority.

    Using just ESB, many = several posters; while the majority of naysayers = dozens.
     
  10. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First off, every big decision that you make in life involves other people...Unless you're a selfish ******* or a German Dictator. Of course Jermaine took advice from the people who care about him. And in my opinion, they gave him the right advice. Now, if they didn't care for hime, they would have told him to keep fighting so they could ride the gravy train.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You're right; their urging him to quit was most certainly out of genuine concern. My issue is that that concern may have been based on (what I perceive to be) unfounded fears and hysteria that's been floating around.

    Taylor's only been badly beaten up and stopped once - by the man generally regarded as the most dangerous in the weight range. He's been stopped twice before but wasn't suffering terrible beatings beforehand in either case. People's unwillingness to see him lace up one more time is always justified with the fact that he got knocked out three times, without regard to the fact that only one of them was really a brutal, career-shortening type of sustained pounding. Not everybody is going to make you pay as brutally for a stupid/ill-advised gameplan as Abraham is. The outcome and the whole fight are troubling as a JT fan - but it's one troubling fight, which he ought to have a chance to prove he can bounce back from. It's not part of a pattern and people trying to tie it together with the Froch and Pavlik KOs need to get a grip and realize that those were reversal of fortune type of knockouts where Jermain simply got caught after his usual late-round slowdown.
     
  12. Arriba

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    I don't necessarily agree.

    When you see Taylor's record and his TKO losses (which were very hard to watch)...you can see why people would feel that way.

    My attitude on Taylor was known from the beginning. He's clearly in this thing to milk American support. I still feel like he should've had to qualify for it.
     
  13. knotty150

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    well you've just articulated, your own counter-argument to what you originally stated. I agree with what your saying here, but isn't it precisely correct for "the majority" to at least think Taylor would lose against Ward, given the present circumstances regarding their most recent wins/losses?

    I don't see this as any kind of exceptional case regarding retirement to anyone else s. I doubt Taylor would have been too heavily influenced by the boxing community when making his decision to retire, and even if he was, why should the boxing community be shameful? The majority of posters on these forums (at least from what I've seen) regard health and safety to be of paramount importance when assessing a boxers current situation, more importantly than they regard the outcome of a potential bout (with anybody). Generally ethical thinking if you ask me, and I presume it's this precise reason Taylor has decided to retire...health and safety.
     
  14. lONGCOUNTED

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    TS is a cocksucker that would love to see Taylor die in the ring.
     
  15. kirk

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    The guy suffered severe short term memory loss after this last KO....

    He kept asking if he had gotten knocked out.... people kept telling him yes. After the fight in the dressing room he kept asking people what round he had gotten knocked out in. His wife was crying and people would continue to answer him, then he would turn to his wife again and ask 'What round did i get knocked out in?'

    'knowing the consequences going in' isnt an excuse not to do the right thing once youve tried it and things have turned out for the worst. It was a risk, he took it, and now has been KO'd by two of the other 5 fighters in the tournament, in a ROW.

    So if saved you mean from another concussion, from retiring with his health intact, ect, ect... then ya your probably right.

    People act like theres some magic number of devistating knockouts you can recieve before it truly effects your future, and theres not.

    Should he have continued, i would have supported him, now that hes withdrawn, i support him. I support him in any decision he makes, but that doesnt mean that I dont think the best for him is that he take a break. his reactions arent there, he backs straight back, ect, ect. He makes the same mistakes every time out, is not improving, takes damage throughout fights and then gets seriously KO'd, in fights he should be able to dictate with his jab, movement and skills.

    This isnt a video game, it took him quite awhile for him to return to normal after this last knock out, and anyone caring about his well being would know the right thing to do is at the very least take a break, not continue throughout a grueling tournament in which youve already been ko'd now by two of its five fighters.

    And at the end of the day, the decision is on him.... like anybody in their right mind should feel bad about advising and suggesting the guy take a break.

    Hes been a world champion, has been in the ring with Hopkins, Winky Wright, Pavlik, Abraham, Spinks, Ouma and Froch, hes been the headliner in big fights and has reached a level of boxing 95% of boxers who lace them up will never see, and has made millions in the process.... Hes got nothing to be ashamed of and surely not for taking a break if he thinks he needs one.