Jermain Taylor was ruined by Bernard Hopkins, HBO and Lou Dibella!!!

Amen

 

The guy beat Bhop twice. Both fights were close and an argument could be made either way. He got the draw with Winky.
He is without doubt world class operator with a stamina issue. Even great fighters have flaws.
I think people are being to harsh and over critical

 

Im not sure if I would call Taylor "world class with stamina issues". **** he had trouble beating Cory Spinks, who Zab Judah knocked out. Hell some believe he lost to Spinks who was in a weight class higher than he should have been

Im not saying Taylor isnt a good fighter because he is but he is not nor has he ever been world class.

 

Extremly ! Lets not forget that both fighters regardless of what people think were 2 of the top super middles and the fight was decided in the 12th ..Now all of a sudden Taylor is ruined ??

 

If Taylor from the get go was shown as the fighter he is, which is someone who is good for the first six rounds but crappy for the last six, more people would see him more favorably, instead of some disappointment. Thats what I think and i think the point of the starter of this thread.

 

I hate the way that lots of excuses are always made by guys in America when an English or European fighter beats them. Is this just total arrogance or ignorance or both?

Taylor is world class without a doubt and as soon as a non American beats him all the ****ing excuses start to surface. The way he was hyped or promoted is just the way it is but to be honest I just think that he never had the right team behind him. Team morale is very important for the fighter. Look at what a change of trainer did for Mosley and also Hatton, I think the fighters corner is just as equally important to their success. I dont think Taylor was ruined by Hopkins, every fighter needs to learn the hard way at some point, it's just the way it is. Taylor is a warrior, anybody who steps into that ring is a warrior. I guess the thread starter has walked in the shoes of Taylor...come on man give a fighter his props.

 

He was doing sooooo well before he got tired in the middle rounds. Skill for skill he is a better Boxer than Froch but without endurance, you can only go so far.

When he went down the first time I was so sad I got teary eyed for the first time ever watching a fight.

I really don't know where he'll go from here.

 

Hopkins is seriously getting the credit now for Jermain's downfall? Wasn't it the Taylor fights that made everyone think Hops was through and why he was an underdog to Tarver? The only way you can say Hopkins ruined Taylor is if Bernard had a voodoo doll of Jermain created and imbued it with the curse of "I'll always let a white boy beat me".

 

Good Post. Well thought out unlike some of the dogmatic analysis I have read since joining.

 

Taylor was great against BHOP but since then he has looked dodgy. Maybe BHOP ruined him.

 

Man I hope no one loses in next weeks fight or someonelse will be washed up,ruined exposed etc !!

I really hope that both these 2 meet again a rematch would produce as much fire works ..

 

You're absolutely right! "Them" and "the establishment" are responsible for sooooo many of the world's problems. I hate those guys with a passion, too; if it weren't for Them, people could finally take responsibility for themselves... but They will never let that happen, those pricks.