Jermain Taylor's time is up and I can't wait to say 'good riddance'.

He's essentially a non-factor for the 160-168 realm, save for some truly deserving fighter around those weight classes to blast him and take the credit for defeating a 'NAME' opponent. I guess this has to be Pavlik, that's all right though, getting those titles away from Jermain Taylor is all I care about because he's an embarassment to the rich history of that division.

Any competant and large MW-SMW who has a punch would absolutely destroy this guy and Pavlik is going to show this, it'll likely be before round 5 and will also be entertaining.

Jermain Taylor is a prime example of ranking a fighter based of off defeating opponents with a set reputation and holding him to a high level because of that instead of really diving into the issue of what he is. It's truly a disgrace for him to have lasted in the P4P rankings that long when plenty of other fights(some lower weight classes that get no credit) have done tons more than he has, which all he has done is have 3 close fights with guys that have set reputations, but one being 40+ years old and the other being highly skilled, but feather fisted. You would expect that a proper MW king would have clearly defeated the aging, on his way out Hopkins and would have clearly defeated the crafty, but smaller Wright, instead, he got gifts over all 3 fights and has since struggled with a mediocre LMW pressure fighter who again has no punch and a very good LMW boxer, but one that any truly big MW would have easily put away if they weren't Jermain Taylor, this includes Abraham and Pavlik.

Pavlik is going to easily starch this fraud, Abraham would starch him and I am sure even Edison Miranda would catch him and put his lights out... this is just at MW, a weak division...

Imagine what a strong division like SMW, which is full of immense talent would do to Jermain Taylor, it's likely that even Sakio Bika level guys take him out.

Now let's jump up another division, the relatively stacked LHW, just about all of them would take him out with ease.

It'll be a good riddance when Pavlik removes this joke from the spectrum and I am glad that Ring magazine FINALLY removed him from the official P4P rankings, even though their new rankings still left out some deserving smaller guys, such as Cristian Mijares.

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I see Taylor winning quite easily.

 

he was the only fighter to even get close to beating any one of those two fighters in years..u cant blame him for that.

if he gets exposed then he gets exposed, but if he wins then what? he beat an overhyped power puncher?

 

Hmm:think
Lets just try and turn the perspective just a bit.

I agree - JT aint no p4p material and shouldnt be regarded as the mw king.

But on the other hand - hes a damn good solid fighter who would spell trouble for anybody at mw.

Abraham would probably win and Pavlik may win. Maybe even Miranda would.
But JT still takes out all the other mw's and this makes him at least a MW in top 2-4.

I guess you can make a case for hating somebody overrated - but JT still has done something good and he is still in the top of his division.

Why the

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hate ??? :fire :fire

 

If he wins, which I can't see him doing, then obviously I am incorrect and will eat my share of crow with a side of salt in the wounds.

Deal?:deal

 

Even Mundine would have pasted this guy early with his speed, boxing ability and SMW punching power.

He's a top 5 at MW, but he's a non-factor against the truly big players and he's held onto the Undisputed MW title, one of the most presitigious in boxing for far too long. He's come around at the right time essentially, but that time is up.

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Yes I have noticed and u sure dont dig JT

Im impressed he made two pretty close fights with Bhop. This alone demands some kind of talent....

Mundine (may he recover) WOULD take JT out!! The speed+ size combo would be too much - also Mundines defence has vastly improved!

Heck, even the new born Mads Larsen would take him out! (watched Larsen on the AA undercard yesterday and he looks like hes on his way back to the top smw....)




Still - Im not sure Pavlik is gonna run JT over. It will be a competitive fight imo.

 

Yea I don't like the way the guy wins fights either but he still can compete with some great fighters. However I thinkd if hopkins or winky were 5 years younger then it would be a wipe out for both of them versus taylor. All we can do is see how he performs against a young heavy hitter in pavlik. Don't blame taylor for HBO's false promoting and judge pampering because all taylor did was do his best. Be mad at HBO if anything

 

From now on, Mundine's name shall always be followed by the phrase: "soon may he recover"...otherwise...a fatwa will be issued against the infringer, condemning him to exhile from this board!:deal

 

this is how i see the fight going.

They come out start very tentatively,, Pavlik lands a 1-2 combo that puts taylor in the ropes, tries the rope a dope like he did against winky but gets get twice the power and dropped like a sac of potatoes.

 

:gun You, Zakman, El Rey.

 

Exactly, and Librado Andrade would also impose his size and take Taylor out, because Taylor(unlike Kessler) can't adapt to pressure well and drops his defence under it.

And this may be 'speculation', sure, but it's well thought out speculation and if Pavlik walks his ass down, you can assume Andrade would do the same with his reach, chin, pressure and power, but Taylor is considered to be higher ranked than Mikkel Kessler is, when Kessler beat Mundine a nice 116-112 and ****ed up Andrade for 12 straight rounds.

And he was competitive with B-Hop and Winky, that's fair, but let's look at the reasons why -

B-Hop is old and fights conservatively, any young fighter who is competant and fights with tenacity is going to defeat him, he'd lose at this point to Glencoffe Johnson. B-hop's a top 30 ATG fighter in his own right, but he is REALLY showing his age and the Tarver domination was easy to pick, but very misleading.

Wright was definitley a rightful P4P fighter, but he won in my eyes and a big MW-SMW who is fresh and well schooled should really be able to defeat Winky at this point, maybe what he does next will reveal this, but him having a neck/neck fight with Soliman is telling on how he'd do with some really competant big men who can move and hit.

So essentially you have an inner circle of the set 'elite' who fight each other, when they really are not the 'best' out there to offer for these weight classes, being 160-175.

Is this not valid?

 

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Precisely, I felt they won anyway. A peak Hopkins would have owned him brutally, but he'd have always been competitive with Winky Wright, which is not a problem considering a WW in Mosely was competitive, Vargas was very competitive.

Winky's a damn fine P4P level fighter and has always been a favourite, but his major rep came out from shutting out Trinidad, who was definitley not anywhere near a Trinidad at his best...

It's more of the 'reputation' ranking than actually a fully detailed analysation of the individual events going on.

 

Taylor is would beat the **** out of abraham who got the **** beat out of him by Miranda. Pavlik can beat taylor b/c pavlik is more dangerous and can punch with boht hands. Taylor can beat pavlik on points if he gets in and out and avoids the str8 right hand from pavlik. Pavlik is a beast. Abraham is a barely a good fighter. Big difference. I watched both pavlik and abraham and pavlik is the most dangerous. JT can out box both of them. Damned for sure outwork abraham the 60 second fighter. JT win or lose was a good fighter and not overhyped b/c he does not get much credit from asswipes like amsterdam that knock him for no reason.