Jermain Taylor's time is up and I can't wait to say 'good riddance'.

I don't know any knowledgable guy who thinks Pavlik is the next big thing, most of us just feel he has the style and power to KO Jermain Taylor, who is indeed vastly overrated on what he can do.

 

He DIDN'T beat Hopkins or Wright - he got three bogus GIFT DECISIONS against them because he's got the connections to the most powerful network in the sport, and Wright, and particularly Hopkins were very unpopular with the boxing establishment. :nod

And that's why Taylor is, and always will be, a FRAUD!!! :yep

And come September, he's gonna be an UNCONSCIOUS fraud - HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!!!:-(

 

Gift decisions? I know Hopkins has lots of fans but he lost 2 times to Taylor. Winky managed a draw but Taylor was no satisfied with that result. Wanted a rematch but it takes two to fight. Taylor is the champ and rightly so. If you don't like him ok but he is no disgrace to the sport. Unlike Hopkins with his punks attitude and his no stop whining.

 

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good post

 

If you'd like to know the real answer -

Because Hopkins and Wright, even being P4P ranked fighters, do not present the kinds of intangibles needed at this point to really derail a true, hungry, young and 'highly skilled' top class MW fighter, this is FACT.

HBO and DiBella both knew that Hopkins was going to the scorecards, there was little chance of a KO either way, same with Wright, though DiBella thought Taylor would actually use his size and strength and supposed power to plow through Wright(like Winky is going to be plowed through if he fights a young, powerful MW at this point).

Pavlik is going to KO Taylor before 5, mark my words mate, bet on Pavlik.:good

Taylor can't deal with pressure and pressure is Pavlik's game.

 

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AMEN!!

 

The issue with this 'common reasoning' is that Trinidad and DLH are not in the category of 'big powerful, skilled MW's', nor would either have defeated one(see Hopkins-Tito).

Tito was a 154 pound monster, DLH was a 147 pound monster and a very very good 154 pound elite, so these are fantastic wins in their own right and I am never going to deny that, but people never understand that these wins are different from other challenges. Just because someone is ranked P4P does not mean they present certain fighters with more challenges then non-P4P guys with the right types of intangibles to give that certain fighter hell.

Wright and Hopkins both are at the end of the line and neither will defeat any young, fresh strong guy from 160-175 general range, I assure you this.

These guys are GREAT fighters, but judged on REPUTATION at this point and not ABILITY and this is why people are missing the point that being competitive with either means dick with winning against hungry, strong and most of all LARGE AND POWERFUL MW's, something Taylor has never done and never will do, especially at the higher weight classes.

Wright even struggled badly with Sam Soliman, who in turn struggled with Enrique Ornelas and got starched in 9 by Anthony Mundine, it's all 'relative' and seeing past the bull**** rankings and the bull**** judgement by reputation only helps in predicting fights, which Zakman and I both are extremely proficient at doing.

Just my thoughts...

Do you see Wright beating Abraham, Pavlik... then jumping up to 12 st. and beating Bute-Froch-Mundine level 2nd tier SMW's even? I don't, that's why I am keeping this into context, Wright is an ATG 154 pounder who's skilled enough to keep going, but his time is running thin and any big, powerful MW-SMW will paste him, that's a damn fact and Taylor couldn't even win, thus why he's not P4P in my eyes.

 

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You've been opening your mouth too much against Taylor.

How about putting your balls where your mouth is? How a about a six MONTHS avatar and signature bet on this? :hey :hey :hey

Just for fun AMS. :yep :good

 

Taylor is a weak middleweight champion. He does not characterize what a middleweight champion is. I mean, the guy gets hurt and looks to the ref for help... he did this in both Hopkins fights. What will he do against a hard puncher like Pavlik- we may see Taylor quit or have his corner throw in the towel in this bout

 

You're on.:good

Pavlik fight correct?

 

Yup . . . I'll pick Taylor . . . you've got Pavlik. :yep :good

 

And the conditions, the avatar/sig bet has to be related to boxing, no homosexual ****.

If so, we've got a confirmed deal.