Jerry ****ey vs prime Ron Lyle

Lyle was painfully slow from the opening bell against C00ney, he's obviously a shot fighter before there's barely been a punch thrown.
You can see he's just some old guy looking for the openings and seeing them WAY too late. It's sad and familiar.

It's absurd that anyone would deny or fail to recognize that.

 

He was definitely shot. But for stylistic reasons its not unreasonable to think that a similar outcome could have happened 4 years earlier.

 

It IS unreasonable if you're citing what happened to the "SHOT" fighter as your evidence for what happens prime-for-prime.
Which is exactly what I see Dubblechin doing.

Totally unreasonable. imo.

 

But with all due respect, you countered his argument by pointing out that shot fighters can't see punches coming or avoid them, which incidentally is true. That said, how do you see Lyle avoiding ****ey weather it be at 40 years old, 35 years old, or 30 years old? He wasn't an outside technician who used the ring the way that Ali and Holmes was. He could certainly take a punch but he was also very stoppable. How would his ribs and mid section hold up any differently in 1976 than they did 1n 1980? Did ****ey have any difficulty stopping a shot Lyle? was this a fight that went many rounds resulting in C00ney having to dig deep to get the win?

 

Lyle would have got some shots off early and got C00ney's respect.

Lyle DID fight on his toes more and outside more in the mid-1970s.

Lyle was SHOT and hopeless and flat-footed in 1980.

I have plenty of reason to believe C00ney couldn't take a punch too well, rather than worry about the tensile strength of Lyle's ribs.

Did Lyle had glass ribs ? Did C00ney break everyone's ribs ?
Am I seriously supposed to believe they fight 5 times in their primes and Lyle suffers the same fate and injury whatever he does ?
It sounds ridiculous, and all based on what happened to a shot old man.

 

Ron Lyle looked pretty fit and lively in this fight. He appeared to be pretty mobile, showed up a trim and sculpted 211 lbs and had been keeping busy leading up to this match. He wasn't the Lyle who beat Earnie Shavers or fought Foreman mind you, but he hardly looked or performed like he was a corpse either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4Y1KE-Eyg

 

Nah.. Lyle fought the same way against Earnie Shavers in 1975 as he did against C00ney in 1980. He doesn't appear to be much more mobile or fit, and wound up against the ropes multiple times the way he did against C00ney, which is a terrible place for him to be.. His punch resistance was the only thing that arguably diminished as evidence by the fact that he survived Shavers but NOT Lynn Ball. However I doubt that he could take it to the body much better at either stage.. Interesting thing to note, Shavers best punch was the overhand right, but it was actually a left that Earnie decked him with, implying a possible weakness for lefts on Lyle's part..Jerry Quarry nailed him and dictated much of their fight with the left as well. C00ney had low punch resistance, comparatively speaking.. But it generally took a sustained beating and numerous shots the way it did against Holmes and Spinks to make him fold. Both fights were following long layoffs.. Foreman fight shouldn't factor into the equation as ****ey was a retired boxer and George's power is leagues above Lyles. Lyle's power was decent, but overrated as he stopped very few quality opponents and didn't have the landing mechanisms of a more mobile or skilled fighter like a Holmes or Spinks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjAm9dkTs4

 

Maybe this thread should be changed to "Lyle's Rib."

It's ludicrous to say that because ****ey broke Lyle's rib once, he would do it every single time. Norton broke Ali's jaw in their 1st fight and they fought twice more without it ever happening again. Anybody can get busted up if they get caught right. Doesn't mean it will happen every time.

Did ****ey break every fighters bones that he fought? Of course not. After the Holmes fight, who did he ever knock out? For that matter, before the Holmes fight, who did he ever knock out? A lot of big names that were way past prime. He never in his career beat a young, prime talented opponent.

He was simply an overrated head case that was carefully nurtured and protected to get a title shot against Holmes. He had a suspect chin, scrambled psychological makeup and no heart.

He should be grateful that he was in the right place and the right time to make a lot of money against Holmes. He wouldn't beat any prime fighter of any talent.

 

No, he looked shot from the opening bell, like I said earlier.
You can see he's just working on some sort of time lag.

 

Based on all the available evidence, what you wrote is 100% true.

 

Ad an "S" to that and I might be inclined to go try it out

 

Good post