Jerry Quarry did spar w George Foreman

Damn you are a hard head....by the time he had been signed to fight Holy pre prison he was no longer managed by Rooney and his long time team was gone and he had idiots who matched him whether he was in good mental and physical shape or not......he would have gotten beat

Okay let me further explain that when I mention a fighter by name I am speaking of his management team

 

-I'm still waiting for you to explain why Ali would take all those excruciating body shots if he could have simply boxed circles around Foreman.

-I'm still waiting for you to explain why Ali would even bother trying to dance and use his legs in the 1st round if he never intended to try to use his legs to win. Why didn't he just immediately do the rope a dope in the 1st round? Dancing in the 1st round wasted a lot of energy.

-I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why Quarry praised Foreman if he was "easily boxing circles around him" in sparring.

-I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why Foreman would fight Jimmy Young (who was a skilled counter puncher) if Foreman's team was trying to avoid counter punchers due to Quarry supposedly embarrassing him.

-I'm still waiting for you to explain why Foreman would fight multiple boxers who beat Quarry.

-I'm still waiting for you to show me proof Foreman ducked Quarry, not speculation. Is there any article or interview where Quarry challenged him and Foreman declined it?

-I'm still waiting for you to explain how Quarry wins when he was stopped by so many guys who didn't have even half of Foremans power such as Norton, Ali, Chuvalo, etc. Quarry was smaller than Foreman, cut easily, had leaky defense, and was more than happy to brawl rather than box in several fights . Do you honestly think Quarry manages to keep his bad habits in check, avoids getting cut, and puts on a clinic to win a clear, convincing decision over 15...?

-I'm still waiting for you to explain how Foreman was "bad at cutting off the ring" when no boxer he faced in the 70's ever boxed circles around him. Bringing up a slower, older, heavier, fatter Foreman in the 90's is irrelevant to the conversation. That would be irrelevant to Jerry Quarry anyways since he was long retired by then even if you desperately want to bring up fights in the 90's.

You haven't really been answering any of my questions or addressing my points, you just keep rambling about new topics and insisting your narrative is correct while claiming I lack boxing knowledge and putting words in my mouth.

 

I’m pretty sure this is the same guy that picked Cooney over Liston…. You’re wasting your time.

 

That's one helluva ****ing edit Rich!!!

Mate you are talking about a 90 second sparring session in 1984. If you believe this had Rooney and co running for the hills then more power to you. If you think Rooney, if he stayed, would have avoided Holyfield then i really don't know what to say.

When Rooney left Holyfield had all of 2 heavyweight fights under his belt.

 

Well in that sparring session Holyfield was beating up on Tyson and had him cornered defending himself.....his style was always going to beat Tyson. You really don't understand what happened and why it was stopped. Tyson at 15 was giving D Amatos pro fighters fits he was a much better at 17 and had been overpowering the top heavyweights in the US....he climbed in the sparring ring with Holyfield and he had nothing for him....sometimes that's all it takes. Imagine one of your top 201 lb fighters could barely handle a top 178 lb fighter. And yes Rooney would not have matched them and neither.

What was the edit? If you have ever read anything from me concerning fighters you know I do not think the fighter is the one who avoids it his management. You guys are Foreman blind for some reason....Quarry was the #1 contender who had beaten Lyle instead Foreman took the lucrative fight with Joe King Roman ? When he could have wrecked a sub 200 very popular JQ who should have been his mandatory.....why not just beat up Quarry I mean he wrecked Frazier and Frazier beat up Quarry....you guys are using reasoning without context

 

Ali took those body shots because his legs were not what they were and he knew he could take them......especially if the ropes are extremely loose...as planned....

You are being unreasonable....had Ali thought he still could move for 15 rds like he was doing to Liston, Patterson, Chuvalo, Bonavena etc....he would have danced circles around Foreman...he knew he couldn't do it so he set the conditions for rope a dope and had the top ropes intentionally loosened, he also practiced it in camp and spoke consistently about his inability to move like he did so he trained to fight off the ropes.

The ring ended up being 16 ft, Ali wanted a 20 ft and Foreman wanted 19ft....they changed the ring but not the ropes. A 16 ft ring for 2 heavyweights as big as they were might as well have been a phone booth. The ropes were tightened as much as possible but were loose favoring Ali allowing the give in the ropes to absorb Foremans shits...the small ring favored Foreman. Ali could have refused to fight and would have been justified legally...he didn't because he had the ropes. Yes he moved some in the 1st Rd but their was no way he was going to avoid getting hit he had hardly any room so he went with defending off the ropes.....loose ropes that absorbed some of the power.

 

Tyson was 17, Holyfield 21. 90 seconds. Holyfield said "There wasn’t anybody hurt but I had him in the corner."

There's not a chance on mother earth Rooney would have avoided Holyfield if he stayed on and Tyson kept winning. Jesus Christ imagine the furore. Tyson is a coward, Tyson is this and that, the whole unbeatable legendary image he'd built up would be gone and so would his titles as Holyfield would have ended up the mandatory. Use your common sense.

 

Quarry was never a good choice for the rising Foreman.

Quarry and reportedly ducked Norton before he got his Ali breakthrough as he was insanely dangerous and only die-hards would give them the credit for beating him.

It does not mean they would both lose against the man their management preferred to avoid. Boxing is business, and a delicate one at that. You have to maximize your chances.

 

Ali had practiced laying on the ropes at least since the Liston fight, so that says nothing. He and Dundee have been very consistent in saying that moving was the game plan and that Dundee was horrified when he changed strategy in the second. And that is also borne out on film, with the commentators saying that Dundee screams to Al to get off the ropes.

You'll be hard pressed to get anything as well documented about a fighter's choice of strategy.

 

So one from one poster in this thread only:

Tyson wanted no part of Holy despite actually signing to fight him.

Ali went into the fight with Foreman with the rope-a-dope strategy despite him and Dundee always saying otherwise and Dundee screaming to him to get off the rope.

And he is still given the time of day?

 

Maybe because Foreman was very young when they sparred, and I imagine had both of them have some good rounds themselves.

Don King. Despite Boxing News warning it was a foolish match- even before it was officially signed.

Depends what constitutes a 'duck' in your book? If refusing a best ever payday and then pulling out of contract talks when you've stated that the fight should be signed and sealed "by the end of the week" (shortly after the Roman farce) and in that fight was a dual telecast featuring both fighters (George vs Joe King and Jerry vs Jim Woody) to promote their, what seemed then, inevitable meeting, then Rich might mean that? If you want some sort joint interview where George says "I'm refusing to fight Jerry Quarry" on live TV, then that probably won't exist.

 

But how was it? Was he further along in contract negotiations with Norton? But that was less money?

Because, for sure, it's not every day that fighters turn down the bigger offer.

 

I can guarantee that Quarry sparred with Foreman an came out on top. Here is the story: I am an old 62 year guy, and back in the day, when there was no internet, but only TV, radio and magazines, I read an article on Jerry Quarry. I think it was in a magazine called Boxing Illustrated. In said article, which was a story of one of Quarry's many come backs, the sparring was mentioned. If memory don't fail me, this was written: 'A bout between Foreman and Quarry was never in the talks, as Quarry spanked Foreman during the sparring session. Afterwards Foreman said, 'Quarry is the greatest fighter, who never won a title!'

 

Quarry did spar Foreman and dominated him. I know that from an article from Boxing Illustrated back en 1979. Foreman said, 'Quarry is the greatest fighter, who never won a title' afterwards. I am 62 years old, back then there was no internet.

 

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