Jerry Quarry v Roland Lastarza,Rex Layne,Don Cockell?

Have you got any Nino Valdez fights that he had in the uk? I would love to see them,I have only seen the fight he had with Brian London as far as his fights in England go.

 

Sorry I meant Charles vs Brion. You have got the full rounds don’t you?

 

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Here is Valdes destroying European champ Neuhas

I have Valdes Sys

I don’t have Valdes Erskine...wish I did

I don’t have Valdes Richardson either

 

This is mint! Thanks for the upload!

 

Not my upload, but I do own the fight. Great footage.

Valdes could really punch and he made a habit out of whipping European heavyweights

Valdes cockell i have never seen that one, but he put cockell on the floor early with a right hand, cut up his face and the ref stopped it

 

Put the sys fight on when you get a chance mate

 

Yes I like old Valdes he was a good old pro who took he's knocks coming up stuck at it and became the top contender who should of got to his shot.

 

"When Layne decisioned Ezzard Charles, Charles was still the outstanding challenger to Walcott."

No. Marciano was rated #1 and Charles #2 after the June, 1952 title fight in which Charles lost to Walcott. LaStarza was #3 that summer.

"LaStarza replaced Layne"

Yes. It seems to me unless the argument is that no one but Walcott or Charles should ever fight for the title, LaStarza was really the logical contender off his victory over Layne and his earlier effort against Marciano.

Charles later beats Layne, but first in line first served, and LaStarza had already moved ahead of Layne.

Really, if anyone is screwed in all this, it might be Layne from my point of view. He beat the two champions and at one time or another fought almost all the top contenders, but never got a shot at the title.

 

That is about it. All the "historians" are relying on what Jones said decades later as an old man.

This story just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

 

Layne screwed himself. He lost to 11-2 Willie James, harry kid Matthews, and got knocked out twice by earl walls

Lastarzas win over Layne is being given way too much credit

1. Layne deserves the decision

2. Layne was fading in 1953 losing as often as he won, often too lesser men

Layne still had a high rating because he was given a gift hometown Decision over Charles, whom easily destroyed Layne in the first and third fights which were not even remotely competitive!

The man who got screwed here is Clarence Henry. Rated top 5 in the world three consecutive years 1951-1953...he only loses to a Moore and H Johnson yet lastarza leap frogs him? Lastarza lost to a 14-9 club fighter and Bucceroni...

Why didn’t lastarza fight baker Henry Charles or Moore? These men were the best in the division. Not sparring partner Brion, light heavyweight Bucceroni, and fading Rex Layne

 

Nope. Chuck Hasson has his sources.

It definitely explains how after beating up lastarza in the first fight, then beating up lastarza again in the rematch first two rounds, he suddenly goes into a shell rounds 3-10. Lastarza didn’t do much at all, Jones just froze out there....

Hand cuffs

 

Clarence Henry had two strikes against him...

He was black, and he hit really hard!

Lastarza was white, handsome, and he couldn’t punch.

Perfect excuse for his manager to avoid fighting the top black fighters like Moore, Louis, Charles, Walcott, Henry, baker, Valdes


In fact lastarza fought none of them!

The color line being drawn was still alive in the 50s

 

"Go through the other top contenders of the 1950s. . .do any of them struggle to beat Jones?"

Well, Tommy Harrison was rated #5 when LaStarza challenged Marciano for the title. Harrison had lost to Jones the fight before the first LaStarza fight.

Henry has been mentioned a lot. He lost to Frank Buford, who was 22-31-7 with 2 KO victories and 16 KO defeats. Henry went the distance three times and once lost a UD to Buford. This doesn't seem to eliminate Henry for you, or the guys Henry dominated, like Baker. Some guys are kryptonite to better fighters. And some guys just have these brief runs before fading out.

As for this film, put it up on you tube so we can all look at it. I would like to see it.

Jones was certainly a bad defeat, but then most of the other contenders were losing here or there also.

 

He lost to Buford in 1950...

I said 1951-1953...Henry was rated in the top 4...only lost to Johnson and Moore. Beat baker and satterfield. Marcianos camp turned down an offer to fight Henry in a title eliminator to take on Lee Savold instead.

How does lastarza leapfrog Henry?

How many black fighters did lastarza face? We know rocky Jones, who beat the crap out of Roland and may have been forced to put on the cuffs in the rematch

What about joe Louis, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson, bob baker, Nino Valdes, Bob Satterfield, Jersey joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles? How many of these black men did lastarza fight?

Answer 0. How many of those above men could lastarza have beaten?

Henry fought 4 of those men, and challenged Louis in 51.

Instead lastarza was being pampered in diapers taking On sparring partner Brion, overstuffed light heavyweight Bucceroni, a fading Layne, and club fighter Jones...and he was having mixed results

 

"Chuck Hasson has his sources."

He doesn't give any in your post.

Just opinions. Such as Layne was not a dangerous opponent. Marciano held up or something against LaStarza, with no evidence given from Rocky to justify that. It is just an assumption.

"Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with the champion."

That list of challengers from 1949 to the mid sixties. How many of these contenders actually did that? Layne did but didn't get a shot anyway. I think LaStarza actually did pass this test as he defeated Layne to get to the title shot. Many of these fellows were coming off losses, or never beat anyone as highly rated as Layne.

LaStarza was certainly very carefully managed, but he did manage to work his way to the number one contender spot, and so deserved a shot.