Jerry Quarry vs Cleveland Williams

Honestly? Williams has his shot and would come at Quarry in the early rounds. Williams is likely as powerful as a Lyle, Foster, and probably almost as powerful as Shavers. And he's faster and delivers punches better in combos.

It all depends on how Quarry's skin holds up. Because Quarry had a very good chin. Not iron, but very good. Once he makes it out the early rounds I would take Quarry to counter and eventually stop Williams. Williams would still be dangerous the whole fight though, and I wouldn't count him out

 

If only looks were worth more than actual deeds....
williams had his chances he just did not make the grade, did not win fights against "at that time rated fighters" in his own lifetime.

NO, the weakness big cat had was the he did not make the grade.

8-3 sylvester jones handed williams his ass on his coming out party for his newyork debut on the marciano v lastarza card at the polo grounds. williams was boasting a manufactured 25-0 but was decked twice in his first competative fight. It should have been clevelands spring board.

Bob satterfeild was the first known fighter williams fought but that was in his 31st fight, and we know what happened there, despite all the advantages. wiliams took such a wolloping he retired for 2 years to get over it.

In his "comeback" williams was nursed through 12 further low risk fights to build his confidence up before fighting the next decent fighter, who knocked him out.

Even when williams beat a young unranked terrell who was 24-3 to his 51-4 he lost the return within 12 months....and that was his highlight?

 

quarry by tko

 

Go to it.:good

 

:nono

 

In fact, he was described as "pear shaped" for his defense against Weaver (whose own physique did Holmes no favors by comparison), and reference was made to "the loose flesh hanging above his hips, an area which refuses to tighten, no matter how much conditioning is applied" when he took on Cobb. (I think both observations may have been penned by Steve Farhood. Incidentally, later note was made of the fact that this loose flesh above his hips was indeed absent against Witherspoon, for which Holmes may have over trained.)

Fortunately for most of the greats, boxing is not a physique contest, although looks certainly helped the likes of Norton when it came to promotion and commercial appeal.

 

Well, what kind of proof is there that Lyle is a harder puncher then Williams? To be honest, I see none. He didn't stop anyone of note except for Shavers, who was notorious for having stamina problems and chin issues. The main fight he is judged by is the Foreman fight, a fight where he got knocked out.

Williams is much more proven as a puncher. Then Lyle that's for sure.

And Shavers? Shavers may have been a harder puncher but Williams is still a better fighter overall.

 

Outside of Machen, who did Williams ever stop of note? He looked great against B opposition but was not first rate... except in the eyes of those who prefer a deep contemplation of the male physique...

 

Seems about right to me.

 

You mean Terrell don't you S?
Still thinking about that pelvic girdle?

 

Hah! You know it.

Yeah, I better stick to the mundane tasks of work, rather than spin two plates.

 

So a 19 year old fighter is ready for his coming out party? Geez thats news to me. Williams was just a teenager when he took on Jones. Nowhere near the 215lb man he grew into in 1960.

 

at 25-0 facing a smaller guy who is 8-3 is not a tough fight. wlliams was show cased, matched easy on a big event for his NY debut because he was considered ready for the next step, they didnt take any chances with an 8-3 dude but he still blew it! 25-0 you should be ready for a test.

 

Liston dosnt need williams to be a great fighter to look good, he was champion of the world.
williams however, always failed when he steped up. maybe he hit hard and looked good in the gym or against overmatched opponents but the big cat couldnt do it in competative fights. no disgrace in that. He just was not an elite fighter and would not have been in any era.