Jerry Quarry vs. David Tua

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Not the knockdown, the stoppage.
    So did Lyle...
     
  2. RockyJim

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  3. Hookie

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  4. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    The fight with Chuvalo should have continued but Quarry was definitely hurt, dont wait until the last second to get up! They should have fought again.

    As for Norton? There is absolutely no reason to believe that a prime Quarry would have been able to beat Ken Norton that night. I dont even understand why people say this. Norton had every advantage... except for maybe the chin. Quarry didnt punch hard enough to make that matter though.

    So who did Quarry clown? Lyle? He was green. Shavers? He was stopped in the 1st round... impressive win but Shavers was not the most durable HW either.

    Who else? Foster, Spencer, Mathis? None of them were very special.

    He went 1-0-1 vs. a past prime Patterson in 2 close fights. He certainly didnt clown him.

    The Ellis fight was close but not a robbery.
     
  5. Hookie

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    Ruiz lasted only 19 seconds btw, Moorer lasted 30.
     
  6. Hookie

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    Losing to Frazier x2, Ali x 2, and Norton is nothing to be ashamed of... but lets not pretend like he gave these guys trouble, he didn't. He was stopped in the 3rd, the 5th twice, and the 7th twice.
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

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    He was 32 years old... 11 years older than Quarry was for Machen.
     
  8. Seamus

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    Tua was in Ring's Annual Heavyweight rankings for 8 straight years going as high as #3.

    You must have a pretty high bar for "elite"...
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

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    I don't think he was to hurt.

    Their's no reason not to.
    So, you can't even imagine a scenario where Quarry wins? :huh.
    I strongly disagree.
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    He punched hard enough to knockout a prime Shavers. We all saw
    what an old Shavers did to Norton.

    If you want to argue that a prime Norton would beat Quarry, you probably shouldn't use that. That just makes your case weaker, as Quarry stopped a young Peak version of Shavers in one round while Norton couldn't do that to an old Shavers... As a matter of fact, HE was the one who was knocked out.

    Most would agree that it was a robbery.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Lyle fought nothing like Tua,Chuvalo was a poor facsimile of Tua without the power or speed into range.
    Fact is Chuvalo put Quarry down and hard enough for him to mis-time his rise. Chuvalo was not on the same planet as Tua for power.
     
  11. mcvey

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    The Quarry v Ellis fight was no robbery, Ellis won ugly but he won .There was no uproar at the result, I remember it well.
     
  12. Hookie

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    Oh, you're going to do that huh?

    Age has nothing to do with when a guy peaks. Lyle turned pro at age 30 after serving time in prison and then a brief amateur career. He boxed in prison, losing only once. His amateur record is 25-4 (17).

    He was 19-0 (17) when he faced Quarry, who was 44-6-4 (26) and if Quarry wasn't at his very best he was very close. They fought in February of 1973.

    Lyle turned pro in April of 1971. In his 8th pro fight he won a 10 round decision over Manuel Ramos (24-19-3). He went on to stop V. Rondon KO2, Buster Mathis KO2, and L. Middleton KO3. Other than the Ramos fight he had been past the 5th round only 3 times. He improved after the Quarry fight. After Quarry he beat G. Peralta by 10 round decision (another good learning experience), beat J.L. Garcia KO3, J. Blin KO2, beat J. Ellis W12, and beat B. Kirkman KO8. He lost two decisions to Jimmy Young but I'd bet Young would have beat Quarry too. He gave Ali problems in 1975 but was stopped in the 11th round, a little bit premature in my opinion. He stopped Ernie Shavers in the 6th round. He won decisions over J. Bugner and S. LeDoux.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Ruiz was stopped with a left hook, Moorer a right ,the punch idiots insist Tua did not have.
     
  14. Hookie

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    WTF does that mean?

    Shavers had a bad chin, Norton had a bad chin. Shavers punched harder, much harder... but Norton had a better chin than Shavers. Norton was well past prime when he fought Shavers and especially ****ey... Shavers still punched very hard and was pretty much the same as he ever was.

    Lyle may have had a better chin than Norton and Shavers but unlike Norton x3 and Shavers, he was stopped by Ali. Lyle also punched harder than Norton, but not Shavers.

    Lyle was able to take Quarry's punches. He also handled some decent Shavers punches. He could not take too many from Foreman though, not many could.

    Shlt, I'm way off topic now-

    So, just because Quarry stopped Shavers and Shavers stopped Norton... you think that means that Quarry could have stopped Norton? Quarry really was not a big puncher. Stopping a big puncher doesn't make you a big puncher. At Norton's best he was only stopped by Foreman. Garcia stopped Norton early in Norton's career (Norton stopped Garcia in a rematch) and Shavers and ****ey stopped him at the end of his career. Norton was able to take decent shots from Ali (3 fights), Holmes, and a past prime Quarry (do you really think Quarry's power was any different?).

    Man, my head hurts now... I need to lay down, I have to work tonight.
     
  15. Hookie

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    :good Tua was much better than these fools think he was. Sometimes it wasn't pretty but most of the time he won by KO. He had power in both hands and he had power in the last second of the 12th round. Quarry's punches would be as worrisome as a cloudy day.