Jerry Quarry vs. Ernie Shavers, 1973

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  1. jacklondon

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    I'm from NY too and I worked around that area. Dugan's wasn't a Westy bar was it? He wasn't hanging out with them was he?
     
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  2. Senor Pepe'

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    Jack,

    There was another Irish Bar, on the 34th Street, between 8th and 9th Avenue,
    I think.

    Jerry was there too.
     
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  3. jacklondon

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    What about the bar on 34th Street? I was in a lot of those joints, almost surely including the one you're talking about on 34th. There used to be a lot of old bars on the west side - White Rose Taverns, whatever. Back in the old days they had free lunch counters.

    Did you ever hear about a boxing gm on west 56th Street or one of those streets (I forget exactly)? I guess it's long gone now, or turned into a fancy health club.
     
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  4. Stevie G

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    Shavers looked pretty well finished after this fight. He had a couple of surprises left.
     
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  5. jowcol

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    I've said this before but, despite his impressive record, Earnie was still 'green' when he fought Jerry.
    And...Lyle was certainly 'green' in Feb 73 when he fought Jerry. Quarry was, by far and away, the best fighter Lyle had EVER met going into that fight.
    I'm not saying Jerry prime couldn't beat Lyle or Shavers prime but you have to look at the time frame and the specifics of those bouts.
     
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  6. jacklondon

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    No he wasn't. He had just KO'd Jimmy Ellis in round one and Jimmy Young in round three.
     
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  7. jacklondon

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    "And...Lyle was certainly 'green' in Feb 73 when he fought Jerry."

    And Ron Lyle had just a few months before KO'd Buster Mathis in round two.

    So don't try to demean the accomplishments of Mr Quarry.
     
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  8. Senor Pepe'

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    Lets not forget Jerry Quarry in September 1973 in California.

    On the undercard of the Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton II Fight.

    'Irish' Jerry Quarry looked 'bad' versus a 'washed up' 'Irish' Tony Doyle.

    Oh, he won by TKO 4, but Tony Doyle was shot worse than Jerry.

    Again, no knock on Jerry, but his win over Earnie Shavers, just a lucky 'freak' punch.

    How shot was 'Irish' Tony Doyle.
    The 29 year-old 'journeyman' with a record of 39-12-1, had gone 4-6-0 (1 KO) in the last 4-years.
    And, he had retired in November 1972 (10-months earlier) after getting stopped by Joe Bugner.
    Tony Doyle only came out of retirement to be a 'mark on the record' for Jerry Quarry.

    'Irish' Tony, still hung 'Even' with Jerry for 3-Rounds, before getting TKO'd in the 4th.
     
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  9. jacklondon

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    Yeah, right, Quarry was nothing but a busted up old drunken stumble bum and just got in a lucky punch against a couple of Golden Glove sub novices, Shavers and and Lyle.

    I gotta get outa here.
     
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  10. Lord Tywin

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    Yeah, if Quarry was that god awful and still managed to beat Shavers and Lyle in dominant fashion what does that mean...

    Oh wait, I see where this is going, Shavers and Lyle both gave Ali (Il Duce/Senor Pepe's favorite pin cushion) tough fights. So logically that must mean sucky Quarry+shitty Lyle and Shavers= overrated Ali.

    Discussion over, lock thread.
     
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  11. Senor Pepe'

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    I'm not talking about the Ron Lyle fight, where Jerry fought a smart
    and tactful 'inside' fight over the 'dangerous' Ron Lyle.

    Now, you don't have to bring Mr. Muhammad Ali into this thread,
    a fighter who I have never called 'overrated'.

    Jerry could punch, that is a given, but that doesn't mean he wasn't
    'worn-out' despite the KO over Earnie Shavers.

    Lets be real here.
     
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  12. jacklondon

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    "What about the bar on 34th Street? "

    Still waiting. You're a phony, Pepe. You don't know what you're talking about.
     
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  13. Senor Pepe'

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    I don't remember the name every Irish Bar in New York,,,,

    Maybe you do,,,,,,,since you spent alot of time in them.

    I do know that Jerry was always around the Madison Square Garden
    vicinity Irish Pubs.

    How about this,,,,,,I remember alot of Kelly Green on the doors and facade.

    Now take your pick of what Irish Pub that was.

    And by the way,,,get back in the closet.
     
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  14. Lord Tywin

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    Well, why dont we flip this around then and ask who Shavers had ever defeated that would make you think he could beat even that version of Quarry?

    7-3 Jimmy Young who was a total unknown at the time, had just lost a fight to Neuman, was a blown up light heavyweight, and who had not yet changed his style from being a scrappy volume puncher to the defensive pitty pat artist who would several years later give the best guys fits.

    or

    A Completely shot Jimmy Ellis who hadnt fought a contender in 2 years and whose only fight against an opponent with a winning record in that time was against 16-11 Bob Felstein.

    Honestly? Frankly had Shavers beaten Quarry it would have been by far his best win to date and may have possibly been the best win on his record over a guy who was at least somewhat close to fighting form unlike Norton, who was at least as faded as Quarry when Quarry fought Shavers (and who wouldnt even spar with Quarry when Jerry was in his prime much less fight him in an actual fight).
     
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  15. Senor Pepe'

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    Lord Tywin,,,,,,

    Good points,

    Correct on Earnie Shavers, not much to brag about on his 'dossier'.

    At 27 1/2, Earnie was going nowhere fast at that time, despite the 'impressive'
    knockout record.

    But, Earnie was coming off a 'broken and dislocated jaw' as a result of a Jeff Merrit
    left hook in a violent sparring session in August 1973.

    At that time in December 1973, Earnie was something of an 'anomaly', and many
    other Fight Managers could not quite figure him out.

    Was he really that powerful, or was he a 'creation' of Don King and Blackie Genarro.
     
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