pin-point punchers can be a ***** and land shots that others could not...by the way Ellis also lost to George Benton,Holly Mims,Don Fullmer and Henry Hank at middleweight but when he moved up beat Johnny Persol KO in 1, stopped Leotis Martin,Floyd Patterson,Quarry and Bonavena (had Oscar down 2 times) Some fighters are weak in the division they strained to make weight in like B-Hop, I think he spread out and was much stronger at 175lbs despite the advanced age. There are many examples of this but naturally it is not always the rule. Manny Pac seems like his power increased as he moved up