Jerry Quarry vs. Joe Bugner

I do kind of agree with you, watching the first Frazier go Jerry was at his zenith yet after a few rounds you could see Frazier's punches were breaking him down. The Norton bout I might see with another ending in Jerry's prime and the Chuvalo stoppage was what it was so for me the real stoppages were against Ali and Frazier.

 

Three of them were to outstanding versions of Ali and Frazier ... once to Norton when he was shot ... in the fist Ali bout Quarry was physically ready and Ali was in his first comeback fight .. after a fast first round by his own admittance he was already tiring when Quarry suffered a terrible cut ... if Quarry did not get such a huge gash this is one that could have gone different ..

 

Yes indeed. With the exception of Joe Frazier,Jerry Quarry was probably the most dangerous opponent for Ali to have fought on his first bout back in three and a half years. No Pete McNeeley types for HIM !

If Jerry had n't have incurred that cut,it's more than likely that the fight would have gone the distance. I still see Ali winning but it would have been pretty close. Their second go was very different. Main reason being Ali's sharpness,and as we know it was consensually his best form up to that time since 1967.

 

The cut in Frazier/Quarry 2 was icing on the cake, so to speak. By the time it had happened Joe had torn Quarry apart, as Jerry simply looked terrible and Joe had never looked better.

 

I've already posted on this. Again, Bugner was big and had skills but had s**t under the left tit. Jerry couldn't box and Joe may have tied him up and decisioned him in prime. The key here is tied him up. If Jerry could counter without the big octopus hugging him at every opportunity, he could have won. Jerry, historically should get greater chops than Bugner for opponents and grit alone! Bugner has NO quality wins! Bugner...what an overrated fighter. No moxie, no "let me dig down deep and pull this one out!" I repeat, NO quality wins in his career, forget the war-torn vets, atsch jeez o pete why do so many put this classic underachiever on such a pedestal???

 

Easy answer,Jowcool. It's because Bugner had untapped potential. You've stated the reason for it. Joe lacked that bit of grit needed to take that step from an also ran to top contender status. He would never have beaten the likes of Ali,Frazier,Foreman and Norton anyway,but he had the CAPABILITY of winning bouts against Quarry,Lyle et al.

 

Andy Smith, Bugner's canny manager was quoted as saying one of his big regrets was not putting Joe in with Quarry when he was offered the fight. So I assume he felt Bugner had a fair chance against Quarry.

 

And he had good reason to do so. Joe's first Ali fight and the Frazier one were good learning curve bouts. After that,Smith should have put Joe in with Lyle,Quarry or Shavers.

 

I dont think so mainly because Bugner isnt hard to find. If he was the type of fighter that Jerry couldnt score his own shots on then I would agree. Quarry had quick hands and he put together good combinations in his prime. His counterpunching woudl be a key here. Jerry was also a very good bodypuncher.

I dont necessarily see a knockout but I believe Quarry is gonna hurt Bugner a couple of times. Possibly knock him down.

 

That night in June of 1970 he had a very good shot at upsetting Ali. Remember that was Ali`s first fight off of 3 year layoff. Ali was already starting to slow down in the 3rd round and it was obvious it was going to be a tough fight if not for that freakish cut.

In Ali`s 2nd return bout against Bonevena Ali was taken to the wire and Oscar wasnt the fighter Quarry was.

 

Nobody can question Bonavena's toughness and durability,though. And let's not forget that 'Ringo' had Joe Frazier on the brink of defeat in their first go and took him the distance again in their return two years later.

 

quarry 69 would beat any version of bugner, he was just the better boxer.

 

Quarry was every bit as tough and much more skilled. Ali just wasnt on his game totally yet. Ring Rust would have played a huge factor had the fight continued. Ali was fortunate he cut Quarry that night. He woudve had to dig deep if the fight went into the later rounds.

Later on in `72 Ali was a different fighter. Actually that was the fastest he ever looked in the ring.

 

Could n't agree more,ETM ! In the Quarry II,Norton II,Frazier II and the Foreman fight,Ali was certainly the fastest he'd been since 1967. Okay,his footspeed was n't utilised that much in the Kinshasa bout,but his blazing handspeed was.

 

Shavers stopped him in 82, in most part because both were fading shells, not to be brought up in ANY analysis.
Lyle-Joe was a past prime 'who cares'

Mac Foster was 'toast' after Quarry exposed him as a 'wannabe'

Ellis was 'fried' by the time Joe fought him.

Mathis? He was toast after Joe wasted him and Jerry won a clean decision.

Bugner vs. Joe in the summer of 73? Joe coming off a brutal pounding by Foreman?

He won rounds against Ali 2 and Frazier? Hell, he won a few against Ali in their first scrap. Everyone wins rounds against fighters but, if you lose, how can you put that on your resume?

In closing, Bugner was just another of many fighters that had a set of tools but, lacking championship moxie, faded like an old shirt when he was asked of us boxing fans, in crunch time, to show us what he was really made of.
OVERRATED! Moved to Australia, and later on trashed Cooper in an interview, a British fighter that carried the 'fighting man' mantra much better than this wannabe. Please, enough of Bugner, there's simply dozens of talented fighters that showed us what they really had when the chips were on the line.
NO QUALITY WINS, EVER. end of non-issue. And, believe it or not, I loved the guy and wanted him to succeed.