Jerry Quarry vs Rocky Marciano, primes

There are many ways to put on muscle and it adds up to weigh while at the same time you can lose inches...running the way Marciano did before fights actually took away muscle.

I have been on both side of it. I have friends who lost weight and muscle with a heavy running regime and also gained muscle and weight, hitting the heavy bag, doing pull ups, push ups and some weights (wall pulleys) but eating everything in site.

I have no doubt Marciano could have gained solid muscle with a Macky Shillstone type of muscle gain and wind sprint training and eliminate the marathon.

5"9 James Toney look solid at 209lbs when he KO'd Holyfield with a few body shots but after that he just kept eating but even that fat version was seconds away from KO'ing the 6"2 Rahman who quit because of a cut.

The mentality in the heavyweight division in the days of Louis and Marciano was to be in 15 rd condition until the final bell and guys like Walcott, slim and Fit Charles,Lastarza and most of the top guys where all dangerous until the final bell in a fast paced fight.

Even Ali who was 6'2 to 6"3 at his fittest was 210-215lbs

Today other than the very fit Klitschko's heavy's are lucky if the can fight 6 rds at a decent pace, yet even when the Klitschko's are really pressured they broke down in the past. Lennox Lewis as big as he, never KO'd a man after the 8th Rd. and Mike Tyson did only once against trail horse Ribalta TKO

another thing the best fighters of the 90's could not do is get off the floor to win (Lewis nor Tyson could do this in there careers.

The bigger fighters are not always the best look at Nino Valdez, Bob Baker,Coley Wallace,Jim Beattie, of the 50's Look at 6'6' 245lb Bubby Baer of the 40's, he was smoke by Louis...look at Primo vs Louis, look at Willard vs Dempsey.

I do not underestimate the heavy's of today but also I do not overlook the great hard and fit 15 rd. Heavyweight of the past

 

Bum,

Believe me, I prefer old school techniques of training rather than leaning to this more modern scientific approach...

I first noticed training of athletes was changing when I saw "Rocky 4" back in 1985. I prefer Balboa's method than that of Drago's preparation.

Yes, I know, in real life Stallone is a juicer and does do hi-tech / modern style training, but in the film he was supposedly training old fashioned.

I never suspected a fighter / boxer of juicing until I started seeing Evan "Holy" Fields looking insanely pumped and ripped and posing with Lee Haney at times. I knew then something wasn't kosher in Denmark.

I thought James Toney looked fine at 217 for Holy in 2003. Too bad Toney had to eat his way outta that weight, cuz he looks like Porky Pig at 235. Toney's physique is the worst I've seen from a dude who's juiced before.

I thought George Foreman looked really good in 1987 and 1988 when he was weighing between 243 to 245 pounds for his fights with "Sekorski & Trane" on ESPN. I wish he could've maintained that weight, cuz even though he was fit and pumped for Holy in 1991 at 257 pounds, he had that thick mid-section with love handles. Foreman is a hulk, but he cannot properly carry 250+ pounds without appearing soft in the girth area.

Aside from the K-brothers, Dave Haye and Evan "Holy" Fields, no other heavyweights wanna properly diet and train and come into a fight in tip-top shape... That sad in recent years, too...

NOTE:

I'm still fascinated to this day how Jimmy Jeff was reported to be 300+ pounds on New Years day 1910, only to go into hardcore training to make 227 pounds by July 4, 1910, so he could challenge Jack Johnson in Reno, Nev... Of course he lost the fight by 15th round TKO, but even the aging 35 year old Jeff who challenged Johnson in that desert heat would beaten many other fighters of lesser caliber than Johnson that day... I'm sure of it...
:hey:deal

MR.BILL:hat

 

The amazing story with Jeffries is that he had to lose 100lbs at the age of 36 not having a fight in 5 years and with out a tune-up fought the Heavyweight Champion vs Johnson...I guess we need examples like Jeffries to tell us what not to do...now Vitali came back after 4 years but he mantained his fighting weight during his absence ...one thing about the Klitschko's to their credit they honor the sport by respecting the virtues of condition

 

Talk about a blood bath..lol
Chins like stones, skin like wet toilet paper.

I love Jerry and Rocky to death, my favorite white boxers. But the constant flurry of Rocky wailing on your head,neck,shoulders, body would be all too much for Quarry after about oh...8 to 10 rounds and I base that on Quarry's heart alone.

 

Jerry would also be 49-0 vs Rocky's opponents, would Rocky be say 55-8 vs Jerry's ?
(I know Quarry was 53-9-4 )

 

I doubt it Quarry was tops for about 6-7 rds but always had stamina issues.....Rocky never had those issues and had he had he would have lost to Walcott, LaStarza, Charles and possibly steamed out vs Moore...as he was throwing a look lot of punches to overwhelm Archie

 

He took over a year to lose the weight and had been fight I need exhibitions as well

 

Rocky either by u.d. or t.k.o.
I don' see Jerry winning, but I don't see him going down either. They were very similar, except that rocky was more aggessive and harder to hit

 

Very solid post. However i give quarry even a bigger chance than you do

 

Another solid post

 

nice joke.. Proves it!!!
Chuvalo was a solid rock at 217 pounds with the frame of a rhino.. He was bigger,stronger with better chin than marciano with a very good %of ko too. So i doubt that marciano did hit "a lot harder" it is a joke but coming from bummy davis it does not surprise me at all. Charley goldman trainer of rockt worked with bonavena and he said that oscar did hit harder than marciano..and i think That bonavena and chuvalo were pretty even in the hitting Power department

 

Jerry would lose a war of attrition against Rocky and pay badly for the effort he gave.

Rocky's wheel fall off against the young and unrelenting pressure of a prime Joe Frazier, tho. Don't kid yourselves here, people.

 

Chuvalo was strong but not a KO puncher he had a lot of stoppages but not KO's he was big, strong and alot of stamina he beat people down over a fight but not a KO puncher like Marciano or Bonavena he was too strong for most of his opponents...he did stop Quarry in the 7th which I feel was a fluke punch and Quarry missed the count.....other than that he didn't have the power to KO rated fighters Rocky did

 

He steamed out vs Frazier who was nearly the same size as Marciano in the 1st fight and Quarry didn't have the stamina to win that kind of fight and IMO Marciano hit hardr than Frazier and threw more punches with everything on it....I am a huge fan of Quarry and feel in a 8-10 Rd fight he could win but he had an issue of fighting the wrong fight he had the skills to beat Marciano and Frazier but not the stamina to win attrition fights like the pure swarmers

 

Rocky would pulverize him and stop Jerry at some point ..