I'm looking for serious debate of stylistic factors rather than a "this fighter is better/has a better chin/hits harder therefore he wins" kind of thing. There's plenty of Quarry and Vitali footage on Youtube...which is, by the way, a heaven-sent help to boxing fans like us. Who wins, and why?
It depends: if Vitali boxes on the outside and doesn't get dragged into a brawl, he could embarass Quarry (who didn't like to have to look for his opponent). On the other hand, Vitali usually went forward in a linear, plodding and predictable manner, with a very limited range of punches. He's very open to being counted. Of course, there is the question of height, but Vitali was very good at giving up his height advantage. If Quarry uses a bit of head-movement to avoid counter-right hands (something Vitali wouldn't have really seen before), I think he would find it pretty easy to use Vitali's wide-stance/low hands means of eliminating his height advantage. Quarry's bodypunching was very good, and I don't think Vitali had the handspeed to counter before Quarry has gotten too close. Once Quarry's in close, Vitali's vast height disadvantage would allow Quarry to dominate him in close. If they both fight as they have in their best fights, therefore, I think Quarry would win a firm UD.
well he was a small fighter who was great at being small. take a look at a quarry - frazier fight and you can see that he will brawl with frazier,and when he fought ali he did the same thing of mimicing and tried to box him. if a tall fighter came to him he wins it's basicly like that. his counterpunches were what got him to top many good fiighters. he could be at a lighter cruiserwieght stop vitali on cuts vitali wanst superman and could get cut and knocked down. quarry slipped jabs very well as he would come back with a counter left hook to the body but somone like ali would just double jab and cause quarry to do a wrong move. vitali has niether the speed or ring generalship of ali nor the brutal one shot power of frazier he has little defence except lean back which is perfect for the classic quarry overhand right. for some reason im going for quarry he was quick deceptivly powerful was a better skill set and cold maul and take alot of punishment BUT vitali if he plays it smart and jabs and moves and doesnt let him slef get inside or near jerry then he has the choice of not playing to the rules though this style change is odd for his jab jab cross style which could be very messy if he tires quarry out...but he aint he's gonan come foreward throw a jab and wham.right hand on the chin and then a pummeling body combo. jerry is also able to be small enough not to get tangled up like lewis or soon to be mcCline
Quarry had lots of courage but Vitali would totally overpower him IMO and get Jerry out of there in six or seven rounds. Vitali is just too big and strong. Great left hook though and he might have more of a punchers chance against Wlad than against Vitali.
Vitail Klitschko doesnt get enough credit for how intelligent he fights. Quarry seemed to never have that problem. It would probably take on the same tenor as Vitali vs. Williams.
This assessment was astute and enjoyable to read. My take on this pairing may be slightly different, but read on. I've just scrutinized footage of both, and see another Loughran/Baer type boxing lesson in store for the ungainly rootfooted robotic one. Jerry would easily outmanuever him en route to a lopsided unanimous decision. Size and strength would be no kind of asset against a veteran who blew out Shavers within a round, knocked Foreman on his keister in sparring, and showed Ron Lyle what great ring generalship looked like. Quarry would be salivating in anticipation of beating tattoos into the flesh of that huge upright torso, moving side to side, in and out, slipping and countering off the ropes with ridiculous ease of quickness, spinning his prey around constantly in the clinches, getting under his gangly victim's long ineffectual swings and ponderous thrusts. The Bellflower Belter would give Dr. Rustfist a boxing lesson along the lines of Tommy Loughran's schooling of Max Baer. He'd enjoy the easy pickings of an upright, mechanical, impotent target, landing three or four punches to every one the haplessly automatonic giant attempted. Vitalis would learn, as Shavers and Frazier discovered, that Jerry was no slow starter. Later he would discover, as Spencer and Lyle did, that Quarry was also a strong finisher. He'd also learn that height and reach might prove most ineffectual against a foe with a lower center of gravity who can change his position in the ring quickly and continually. Irish Jerry demonstrated what he could do to a big man with his ridiculously lopsided domination of Buster Mathis. Ali was at the relaxed best of his second career for an emotionally drained and psyched out Quarry in their rematch. But for this one, Jerry wouldn't be facing The Greatest primed for a marquee performance. Quarry would lure him into the corners, then have Viagra spun around and pinned in the corners himself, before realizing what Jerry was doing. With Gil Clancy as Jerry's second, Velveeta would be lucky to win four or five rounds. He'd think he was facing a nest of machine guns from both sides. Rustfist, meet Triggerfist. Science and statistics be damned. The human element is all in Quarry's favor. Jerry Quarry UD 15 Klitschko (either one).
I take such praise gladly for a poster of your stature. :good All very good points, none of which I disagree with, except from your final statement. While I think Vitali is a fairly sure bet for a peak Quarry to defeat, Wladimir is a very different prospect. Wladimir, like Lewis, is far better than Vitali at keeping his height and has a much better defense. He also has a surprisingly compact right hand and a quick left hook, while would leave him less vulnerable to in-and-out tactics from Quarry. On the other hand, I think Quarry's body attack and power pose a lot of problems for Wlad. His vastly superior stamina would also give him a very good chance at a Puritty-like late rally. Wlad-Quarry is more or less a 60/40 fight in favour of Wlad, in my opinion. I've rated Wlad as the superior brother ever since Stewart began to reform him into a more mobile and cautious boxer, and certainly give him a vastly better shot at beating Quarry that Vitali.
Vitali would have had a very good chance of beating Jerry because of his size, his long arms, his style and the fact that he takes a pretty good punch. If he played it cautious, that is. Just havinh height and long arms didn't always mean a guy could beat Quarry. Ron Lyle, Larry Middleton, Buster Mathis to name a few couldn't do it. Patience and a constant jab might have worked for Vitali.
Huh? You're very welcome, but stature? Me? I'll defer to your greater familiarity with and knowledge about Wlad, as I'm admittedly deficient in my awareness of more recent competitors.
Forced to name the best poster on this site, I'd go for you. Your posts are well-thought out and refer to lots of sources/fighters that I later look up and learn from. You also post REASONS for your opinions, which is something that is both rare and beneficial on this site. For all his flaws, Wlad is actually a very good boxer, in my opinion. He's one of my favourite fighters today, if only because he reminds me of the heroes of my youth (Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes). Like them, he has a jab-orientated nature while still throwing power shots and being a hard working fighter. I can see Wlad boxing on the back foot against Quarry, but such subtle and cautious boxing has never really been a feature of Vitali's career. For tall boxers, it pays to have a weaker chin, because it teaches them to be more respectful of the punching power of shorter fighters.
Vitlay has a weight advantage of 50lbs and a hight advantage of 7". Plus he has some pretty good tactics. Anyone who sees Quarry winning this one must be a ****ed up drug addict.