Jerry Quarry vs. Vitali Klitschko

Vitlay's chin is great. No chin in the world would've taken Louis' uppercut,period.

 

While I happen to think that Vitally did have a prety solid set of whiskers I don't think they have been fully tested at world level.

Sure he took some bombs against Lewis but I could show you a fight where Audley Harrison took a terific uppercut and shrugged it off.

You cannot certify that a fighter has an all time chin on the basis of a single punch.

 

OK,everybody please listen!...........Lennox Lewis is NO high class world level!

 

He is but he hapened to beat Klitscko.

In any event it is only a single fight. You need multiple fights against world class punchers to demonstrate an all time chin.

 

I don't think you can say Lewis and Sanders were not world class punchers. They clearly are. Each man landed their best on Vitali and he did not go down. Lewis has absolutely destroyed some durable fighters with shocking ease. See Ruddock, Golota, or Botha. Each man had at least a good chin.

Harrsion was stunned by blown up cursier weights early in his career, and completely starched by a top 20-30ish Mike Sprott, who doesn't hit in Lewis's zip code.

The only conclusion that makes sense is that Vitlai has a top chin. The proof is in the pudding. Vitlai has never been down as a professional and his chin has been tested genuine chin checking shots from big punchers. In my estimation the blows that Lewis or Sanders landed would have at the very least knocked down 90% of the other heavyweights, and lead to a KO / TKO over the majority of them. Hide landed his best right too and it had no effect. The basis for the conclusion is not a single punch, rather several.

 

I agree that Lewis and Sanders are tremendous punchers but two fights is still a verry small sample to test a chin over.

Lennox Lewis for example took similar punishment in several of his fights against top punchers but he also got knocked out twice with a single punch. If his only fights against world class punchers were the Tua fight and the Bruno fight there would be people here arguing that he had one of the best chins of all time.

I feel that the jury is still out on Vitallys chin. He simply hasnt had enough fights against ranked punchers to start comparing it to a fighter like Quarry.

 

Not so. The difference here is Vitali was only shaken up by two HUGE punches his entire career. Everyone could see that Bruno had Lewis in a bad way. Same with Briggs and Tucker. Based on these fights alone, suspicion should arise. And when you factor in two one punch Ko losses, I beleive Lewis durability was defiantly suspect to power punchers. In truth most fighters are. Tua didn't land much to test Lewis. Lewis won the fight on skills and size rather easily. The Tua example is not valid in the contest of the conversation of being hit and taking it.

Chins are best tested when someone lands something serious on them. I listed three ( Lewis, Sanders, and Hide ) big punchers who landed their best on Vitlai and he did not go down. Many others couldn't even phase Vitlai when they landed that were " solid punchers ". This is a big sample. In fact it’s bigger than most heavyweights who had a reputation for taking punches. If you examine guys like Foreman, he was floored by lesser punchers than Lewis or Sanders for sure. The same could be said for Tyson, and Marciano! I feel you are not giving this a fair apples to apples comparison. But the forum is yours of course to debate if you think fighters like Lyle, Young, Ali, Douglas, Holyfield, Moore and Walcott hit harder than Lewis, or Sanders. In fact Hide likely hit harder than the fighters who put Foreman and Marciano down, save Lyle who is debatable.

Quarry lost via TKO to some non huge punchers. Twice to Ali, and once to Norton. Neither man hits as hard as Vitali does.

 

Who cares? We talk about Klit's qualities and a fight vs Quarry.

There are no such opponents left. Lewis was the best of the best to test his chin and heart.

 

I rely on posters like you to bring me back to the issue at hand whenever I start going off on tangents. (C'mon, you know all too well how I tend to ramble. I need reminders to stay on track.)

As I previously stated, I don't consider Quarry to be any more of a bleeder than Klitschko. In 66 fights, he was really stopped on cuts only twice, in the first match with Ali, and in the first match with Frazier.

He took a knee after getting decked by Chuvalo in a contest he was winning handily, and lost the count. In the rematches with Ali and Frazier, he was getting battered when the referee intervened. (Joe Louis was the third man for Frazier/Quarry II.) He was also rescued by the referee while getting battered by Norton.

In the first battle with Frazier, he was cut by being butted and elbowed. (He didn't begrudge Smoke this, admitting that it was part of the game, and that he wasn't guiltless of these tactics either. Early in the Norton fight, there was again a clash of heads, which they touched gloves in apology for, as Kenny was actually boxing shorter than Jerry was.

Klitschko would not be boxing shorter than Jerry, so I doubt a clash of heads would occur that resulted in a cut to either fighter. With the butting of heads eliminated as a likely scenario, Quarry is the one with greater experience going longer distances. His fatigue in the Ali rematch was more of a mental issue than a physical one, as Jerry admitted in the interview immediately following that defeat. He started out all hyped up (as promptly demonstrated by how he started in picking Ali off the floor to begin the first round), and his uncontrolled surge of adrenaline exhausted him quickly, while Ali was about as relaxed as he ever was for a major performance.

Quarry was a fast starter, who even had some good early moments against Norton. He demonstrated against Alexander that he could get off the deck if floored early, and recover quickly to win. He finished very strongly in round 12 against both Spencer and Lyle, and matched conditioning with Patterson twice. He won ten rounds against Lyle, and also won ten rounds against Mathis.

In his last significant win, he spotted Lorenzo Zanon a seven round lead before coming back to take him out. Jerry may have looked dreadful at that stage of his career, but he was the last one to beat Zanon before Lorenzo challenged Holmes, and everybody else who defeated the admittedly chinny Zanon was a champion at the Italian national (Cane), European (Gardner, Rodriguez) or world (Norton, Holmes) level. Zanon may not have been considered world class, but it was necessary to be world class in order to beat him. Quarry won matches in every way it was possible to. He nearly shut out some world class opponents, blew out others early, took others out in the middle and late rounds, and recovered from slow starts to win coming from behind.

The version of Quarry I'm considering here is the one who showed up for Spencer, Foster, Lyle, Shavers, Bodell and Mathis. Vitalis, Viagra, Venereal, Valvoline, Vagina, Vermin, Vulva, or whatever the hell his name is, had better watch it, if he found himself sharing a ring with a well honed Jerry Quarry.

 

Quarry should watch how Vitali easily destroys,dismantles,decapitates,demoralizes,owns,hands ass to Herbie Hide,Ed Mahone,Orlin Norris,Larry Donald,Kirk Johnson,Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams.


Quarry would be a walk in the park.

 

Lewis has good credentials as a puncher but Hide lacks wins that would establish him as a threat to the divisons elite.

 

Quarry would be an order of magnitude better than anybody Vitally ever beat. Much better than anybody he ever fought outside of Lewis.

Quarry beat people who were themselves arguably better than VK.

 

Quarry is, was and will ever be.............a Journeyman.

 

How is Quarry much better than Byrd?