Jerry Quarry vs. Vitali Klitschko

It's cool that guys like Larry Middleton, Jack Bodell and Mathis were favored over him, but we have all the knowledge about them now and can assem them as they are: mediocre fighters.


I ask again, how does Quarry being cannon fodder for these fighters refute the earlier post i made when comparing their wins and losses?

But i pointed out that besides Ali and Frazier, Quarry also lost to some average fighters. Now you are saying that Vitali Klitschko and Frank Bruno don't have losses to average fighters, because..... their average opposition quality was very low? That doesn't make sense.

Quarry losing to Chuvalo and an old Machen would be like Byrd losing to Oquendo and an old Golota. But he didn't.

 

On cuts. Don't forget that. That loss has nothing to say about Klit's qualities as a boxer.

You must be a fool if you consider Quarry anything else than a journeyman.

Patterson was shot already when he faced Quarry (losses to Johansson,Liston,Ali). Quarry should've faced Patterson in the 50's and Quarry would've been decapitated.

Some other fighters:
Shavers?.....lol
Mathis?........double lol
Lyle?...........triple lol

 

You see the problem here.

If we are justifying Muhamad Ali's reputation we don't have to say-

"He would have beat Joe Frazier but he was stoped on cuts"

If we are justifying Jack Sharkey's reputation we don't have to say-

"He would have beat George Godfrey but he was stoped on cuts"

Vitally Klitschkos resume is based on what if.

 

There is no problem. This bout proofed many things. One of them was that Klit can box highest comp. Fullstop.

 

I like Vitali in this fight, I can see a TKO victory, Quarry could hurt Vitali with a sustained body attack but the jab, reach and awkward power of Vitali would allow him to dominate. I have seen Vitali take solid shots from Lennox and Sanders and early in the fights when both were fresh,Vitali has a solid chin and is fit,condition has a lot to do with it. Quarry could take Vitali's punch but I see him getting battered along the ropes and the RSC

 

Hostage of fortune? Perhaps. I think soothsayer of correct news is more likely. Vitlai will defeat MCcline. The odds of McCline scoring a knockdown are long.

Again, Lewis and Sanders are big punchers. H. Hide, K. Johnson, and D Williams can definitely hit. In 37 fights, Vitlai has yet to go down. The fact that he was hit and tested by punchers is all the proof you need.

Tua was knocked down multiple times as an amateur? In what fight besides Savon? Names pro favor.

Louis offensive style did not put him in the danger zone as operated behind his jab. It was his defense and lack of balance that made him hittable.

Schmeling hurt Louis with one the second or third flush right hand in the fight. I own the match. This logic proved that other punchers could do the same and knock Louis down when they landed. History proves this.

Dozens of ranked contenders? If you include the McCline fight, Vitlai has fought 13 fighters who fought for one of the four major world title belts.
He also fought 4-5 fighters who fought for the European Heavyweight championship belt.

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I would much rather be hit by Walcott's bomb then Briggs bomb. Briggs certainly hits harder.

Now this is silly. A professional heavyweight at any level competition should not be compared to a woman institute of boxing. I'll close with the following point which I once again invite you to dispute.

Vitali has taken hard shots from Lennox Lewis, Corrie Sanders, and Herbie Hide. He has not gone down from a punch in 37 pro fights, which include 12 matches vs men who fought for world title belts, and 4-5 who fought for European title belts. You would be hard pressed to name ten better punchers than Lennox Lewis who landed his best uppercuts and hook on Vitali.

I'll list the following fighters who have very good to great chins who have been dropped by punches. I might miss a few...

Holyfield: Down from Toney, Cooper, and Bowe....none hit as hard as Lewis or Sanders.

Tyson: Down from Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis.

Holmes: Down from Tyson, Shavers, Snipes, and Issac.

Foreman: Down from Ali, Young, and Lyle.

Ali: Down from Banks, Cooper, Frazier, and Wepner.

Liston: Down by Marshal, Ali, and Martin.

Marciano: Down by Walcott and Moore.

Dempsey: Down by Sudenberg, Flynn, Fripo and Tunney

Vitali: Down by no man. In fact he was in trouble far less often without going down than anyone on the list.

I do not understand why you're fighting this tooth and nail. Perhaps Vitlai just isn't your cup of tea. If that is the case, then Howard Cossell said it best. " What's right is not always popular, and what's popular is not always right. " -Howard Cosell.

 

I thought Sanders only beat one heavyweight ranked in the top 10 his entire career. Aside from Wladimir, who did Sanders ever beat that was ranked highly?

 

Are we talking about punchers here or ranked opponents? They are two different conversations. Sanders should rate high as a puncher. He can hit, and he has excellent hand speed. That was a point of mine with Janitor when I mentioned Sanders name. The key point was Vitlai has never been down, and taken hard shot from punchers, while just about everyone else has come up short in this department.

As for Sanders rank, Ring Magaizne had Sanders #3 in the world after he beat Wlad. Asside from the Wlad, Sanders defeated some former cursier weight champs who fought at heavy ( Nelson, Cole and Czyz ) and fringe contenders at heavyweight in Duplooy, Sprott, and Cooper.

No one is calling Sanders an all time great here. I am only calling him a dangerous puncher.

 

Gee, you don't suppose the fact of Jerry's getting his fists on them in the first place had something to do with that, do you?

 

And that leads me to wonder how much of a case could be made for Quarry without the availability of services like that. We no longer have to take Foreman's word for how good Quarry was, we can see some of his benchmark wins for ourselves. ]

Incompetent or corrupt organizations like ESPN no longer have the power to act as the gatekeepers of such footage, spinning our opinions about these historic performers to suit their own prejudiced or ignorant agendas, and only broadcasting Quarry's rematch with Ali, showing Muhammad at his best and Jerry at his worst.

At least ESPN usually broadcasts Foster/Mike Quarry first, so we can see what disturbed Jerry so much before heading out to try doing battle with Ali. ESPN would probably prefer to ignore that devastating win by Foster, but Jerry compells them to show that earlier bout it by referring to it in his post-fight interview. Thanks to that, we get to see Foster broadcast on a regular basis too.

The lack of sports history knowledge possessed by these glib, pretty boy twinkies and airheaded beauty contestant bimbos, with blow dried hair and brains, on venues like ESPN is repulsive. Do they know how to read anything except teleprompters? Or can they not even do that, but just repeat what they're told on camera through their earpieces?