Jerry Quarry vs Vitali Klitscko

I guess Floyd Patterson was only an average boxer then. :roll:

 

Wlad more predictable? Are you kidding? Wlad is clearly the more talented of the two skill wise, and his technique is also far and away better.

The way Vitali tries to lean back to avoid punches, keeps his hands low, I think he is the more predictable one easily. I wouldn't hesitate to dub Wladimir better than Vitali

 

atsch...Floyd Patterson, Buster Mathis, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers...atsch

Not to mention very, VERY close fights with Jimmy Ellis and Machen

In addition...atsch

 

We'll agree to disgree...I really just believe that Vitali is much more difficult to game plan for due to his arsenal and chin. 1-2 punchers really don't stand much of a chance against counter punchers with Quarry's chin, skill set and pedigree...size advantage or not...:think

 

Wlad is a very good combination puncher when he opens up. It's vitali who paws with his jab, and throws loopy punches. Vitali doesn't put together combinations like Wlad does.

 

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Isn't everybody's?

 

Floyd Patterson is an average boxer. atsch

:roll::roll:

 

Floyd wasn't thought of as over the hill during the Quarry bouts, most thought this Patterson had edged Ellis for the WBA title (I had it a draw) and was a legit top five heavy still.

Shavers had his weaker days, however this Shavers who later badly hurt and dropped the prime Holmes and hurt and went to a close 15 round loss to Ali would have won against both Standard and Stallings. Hardly fringe, the Shavers ko'd in 1 by Jerry had built up his boxing skills and took out a still top ten Ellis in 1.

Both Lyle and Mac Foster were undefeated though untested when Jerry beat them and Mac never regained his form going into the bout (24-0 all ko's). Lyle lost to almost every ranked fighter? Middleton, Shavers, and Bonavena were all in the top ten when he beat them, and Ellis, Kirkman, Bugner, LeDoux, Mathis, etc. were still in the top fifteen. So until Lyle was over the hill your talking about losing to a prime Jimmy Young, Quarry, Ali, and Foreman.

Quarry lost to every above average fighter he fought? Again Patterson was anything but shot or over the hill and still a considerably above average boxer, Mathis was leading Frazier after 11, his only loss, and was here at his best still a far above average boxer, Lyle showed over his career to be above average as written above, Shavers had taken out a high ranked Ellis in one, etc. Homework time pal.

 

Mathis was not leading going into 11...it was stopped in the 11th. 1 judge had it even, another Frazier 6-4 and Castellano 7-2 (this is also what my card read). Mathis won the first round and edged the 2nd for me, but it was all Frazier after that....but as 1 of the judges at least called it even, I guess that is debatable! But for the record frazier had a SD lead going into 11....I agree with your other points, and the defense of quarry's opposition!

 

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If Lyle and Shavers are mediocre, then Arreola, Peters, Kevin Johnson and
Danny Williams must be rated as complete bums. VK fought two good fighters and couldn't finish either fight.

 

I knew there would be some pathetic lines of reasoning occurring here.

Bravo!

 

I am an avid fan of Jerry Quarry, and feel that he was a better fighter than Vitali on a p4p basis, but the physical disadvantages would be overwhelming. Jerry isn't just going to jump all over him the way he did to Earnie Shavers, and nor will he outbox him over 10 or 12 rounds like he did against Ron Lyle. I can see him on the end of that flag pole jab, and eating tons of punishment early... This one gets stopped before too long..