Jerry Quarry vs....

I guess ALI, FRAZIER, PATTERSON, ELLIS, NORTON, MACHEN, SPENCER, MATHIS, FOSTER, MIDDLETON, LYLE, SHAVERS,. EARLS-(World ranked No.5 light heavy 1970) ALL WORLD CHAMPIONS AND CONTENDERS!

So i guess they others were bad or your issues' Jerry was 31-0, against guys, if they beat Jerry Quarry (Just won the lottery) there were some tough guys in that 31-Believe it. yes I'd take my word for it also.

Lets accept stats that they all were the color Green (ALI, Frazier etc.) that 38-7-1 w 23 knockouts against that caliber of fighter's- none of them would have as good a record, Bonavena, Bugner, Chuvalo, Peralta, Mildenberger, Kirkman, Even Henry Cooper, NONE!

Against Green fighters
Victory percentage----83%
Loss Percentage---15%
KO percentage----50%

Against white fighters
Victory percentage----75%
Loss Percentage---10%
KO percentage----45%

 

How come you guys did not mention they other white boys who would have Knocked Jerry's head off? COOPMANS, URTAIN, TERRY DANIELS, RON STANDER, JACK O'HALLORAN, Dangerous Danny McAlinden, rematch with Bodell, Richard Done! Bobick brothers, Jerry Judge, Willi Besmanoff, BRIAN LONDON!!!, Wild Bill Nielsen (REMATCH) Peter McNeeley and his old man, Tony Doyle? and Rocky Balboa?

And the second tier
LUBBERS BROTHERS, SMOTHERS BROTHERS, Dave Zyglewicz, Miguel Paez, pedro Agosto, Terry krueger, Freddie Roach, John L. Gardner, jurgen Blin (I think he was in my 11-0) Joe "King" Roman, Ibar Arrington, Packey East, Mike Quarry, Leroy Caldwell, And another Rematch with Randy Neumann (as a referee)? Rosie O'Donnell ( 0-36)

 

Name me some great heavyweights "JOLTIN JOE BUGNER " beat? he's 6-7 vs Quarry opponents!-I don't want to hear his great decision losse's , I want to know his great victories that got him rated, It was a free ride had I ever seen one! (Ratings)

 

You brought up the black and white stuff. Don't see most of the points you are trying to make here.

Of the white fighters listed in the original question, I picked Bonavena, Mildenberger, Chuvalo, and Peralta to beat Quarry. A shopworn 32 yr old Chuvalo in fact beat Quarry. I favor a younger Chuvalo.

You keep bringing up Ali & Frazier, but these other men also fought Ali and/or Frazier, or Foreman. The real cream of the heavyweight division of the time. And all did better. Bonavena had Frazier down twice and lost a close split dicision. He went the full 15 in a rematch. He lasted to the 15th with Ali. Mildenberger lasted longer with Ali in his one fight than Quarry did in two. Peralta went the distance for a respectable decision loss to Foreman and lasted to the 10th in a rematch. When they got into the ring with the best, they gave better showings than Quarry did.

You list 13 fighters Quarry faced. He lost to five of them. He had a disputed draw and a disputed win against Patterson (Bonavena lost a UD to Patterson in which a majority of ringside reporters voted for him), but this was indeed a strong showing for Quarry. Lyle is for me his next best win.

The rest? Earls? Why he is brought up, I don't know. He was 12-15-2 for his career with 12 KO defeats, including Terry Daniels. The rest are good but not exactly the cream of the division. Ron Stander KO'd Shavers and beat Thad Spencer. The ordinary (32-31 career) Bob Stallings beat Shavers and Foster. Manuel Ramos beat Machen a month before Machen beat Quarry. Boone Kirkman beat Machen and Ellis.

I find it tedious to go through a record to see who was black and who was white, but I would point out that Mildenberger for example did very well against black fighters, including beating Machen who in turn beat Quarry.

As for these men overall, Quarry had a lifetime 80.3% winning percentage. Mildenberger's was 85.5%. Bonavena 85.3%. Peralta 84.5%. Truthfully, no reason to think they aren't on the same level as Quarry, at least.

 

If this is directed at me, I picked Quarry over Bugner.

 

WHAT ? BROUGHT UP WHAT POST? YOU PEOPLE BROUGHT UP THE WHITE FIGHTER'S VS Jerry Quarry who fought predominately Black fighter's , these 10 all fought predominetly white fighters' (BLACK FIGHTER'S ARE BETTER THAN WHITE FIGHTER'S !) I said their victories Morbis, you did not answer the question, Jerry would back milde up, and pound his powder puff punching power. Quarry knew how to fight a southpaw ! Jerry Quarry is 13-5-1 against the Famed Joe Bugner opponents , Bugner is 6-7 vs Jerry's -your a stat guy- you do the math?

 

What is your point? Quarry was highly rated. So were Bonavena, Peralta, Mildenberger, and Chuvalo and all did better in the ring against the ATG champions (Ali or Frazier or Foreman) than Quarry did.

Why bring up journeymen or trial horses?

 

I didn't. I just responded to the discussion, as I assume you did. But you are the one who plowed through Quarry's record to separate out black and white opponents.

 

My point ? how many contenders did these guys beat? I said I do not care who they lose too! Bugner who is now my new hero, safety first 6'4 . Jerry was there to win, and give the fan's a good fight! name me some top ten wins! Bonavena the murderous 2 left footed puncher never knocked out a top ten fighter! I could see your logic, of him beating a career top 5 Quarry! He sure did not want to get in there with Quarry!-good point!

Plow thru Jerry's record? I already knew, I'm in his book. HARD LUCK

NO TAKERS ON ENLIGHTNING THE SITE ON THE "BOMBER BUGNERS!" WINS? HOW BOUT RINGO'S?

NOT ONE OF THE BOTTOM TEN BEAT
(Jerry beat them all when they were WORLD RANKED!)
1-Floyd Patterson
2-Thad Spencer
3-Buster Mathis
4-Ron Lyle
5-Earnie Shavers

Quarry also scored 6 knockdowns in these bouts.

 

"I'm in his book."

I think it best we agree to disagree. It is certainly reasonable to consider Quarry the best of these men, but I think it equally (or in my view more) reasonable to consider some of them better.

But all of it is just opinion, and I really don't want to pursue it.

 

OH WHAT A MINUTE NOW! -ONE MORE BELL! -I'M PLOWING THRU THE BOTTOM TEN'S RECORDS , I'M GONNA USE RING MAGAZINE RATINGS (heavyweight listings only) Everything legit thou, Neither Muhammad Ali I (1970), nor Chuvalo were in the ratings, when they fought Quarry. These Ratings will be when both fighter's climbed thru the ropes. -And they opponent was Ranked.

Try that sometime, that was not ez Urtain-Coopmans (THE LION OF
FLOUNDERS)-liked to done me in!
here goes top 10 -(By the number of World heavyweight top ten Victories)

WBWC RATINGS (as of February 27, 2018)
White Boy World Champion
Jerry Quarry .............8-5-1 (4 KO'S)
1. Henry Cooper ........5-3 (2 KO'S)
2. George Chuvalo .....5-8-1 (3 KO'S)
3. Oscar Bonavena ....4-6
4. Duane Bobick ........2-2 (2 KO'S)
5. Karl Mildenberger ..2-2-1 (1 KO)
6. Joe Bugner ...........2-4 (1 KO)
7. Jose Ibar Urtain .....1-1 (1 KO)
8. Boone Kirkman ......1-3
9. Chuck Wepner .......1-3
10. Gregorio Peralta ....0-2-2

 

Now you can see my point, 8 world ranked win's is more than most Champions in any division attain in their careers, SO JERRY HAS EIGHT, the ten put together has (24). Jerry also was Ring Magazine's fighter of the month five times again more than the ten put together
Jerry Quarry top ten victories:

Floyd Patterson ...#5
Thad Spencer .....#2
Buster Mathis .....#6
Mac Foster .........#1
Jack Bodelll ........#8
Larry Middleton ..#7
Ron Lyle ............#3
Earnie Shavers ...#6

 

This is an impressive achievement for Quarry and it is certainly pertinent to bring it up.

that said, though, having victories over more rated fighters than others proves one fought tough competition over a long time, and should be noted and praised,

but, it doesn't necessarily prove a fighter better than a fighter who fought fewer tough fighters.

We used to have a poster under the name hhascup. He had computerized The Ring ratings (including monthly) and so had info on who fought rated or ever rated fighters. I asked him once about 1940's heavy Lee Savold who fought a lot of good men. He said Savold went 28-27 over his career against men who ever appeared in The Ring rankings. Impressive.

Savold's total wins over rated fighters is certainly higher I would think than Tunney, Marciano, Liston, Foreman, and probably quite a few other champions. But they beat the best and Savold didn't.

So I don't think your evidence, though valid, is as definitive as you do, but you're certainly making a good argument here.

*just an aside, hhascup said the fighter who fought the most ever rated fighters was Maxie Rosenbloom.

 

Well, as you went to so much trouble, I should at least give a reply.

"Neither Muhammad Ali (1970), nor George Chuvalo were in the ratings, when they fought Quarry."

This is exactly why I don't like using the "he was unranked when X fought him" argument. Ali? It is almost nuts not to count him regardless of where the rating hacks put him at the time. Chuvalo had been rated and would be rated again. With those two defeats, Quarry drops to 8-7-1, still pretty good.

Cooper--lost to Ali twice, Johansson, Folley, and Patterson. That should be five defeats at least. Folley was definitely rated, and I think Ali had to be, so were Johansson and Patterson listed as unranked fighters? And Cooper never lost to anyone else who was rated? Possible, but it seems unlikely.

Bonavena--this man shows the problem. Okay. 4-6. One defeat was in his 9th fight to the world ranked Folley. Who would expect him to win? His first fight with Frazier was a strong performance in which he had Frazier down twice and lost a close split decision. He had Patterson down in their fight and edged Floyd in a poll of the ringside press but lost by UD. Did home cooking have something to do with the Frazier and Patterson scorecards? If Bonavena had gotten those two decisions he would be 6-4 and the most impressive here. His performances against Ali and Frazier were better by far than Quarry's.

Chuvalo--not counting his fight with Quarry takes out a win and KO. He would be 6-8-1 with 4 KO's to Jerry's 8-7-1 with 4 KO's, a slightly better KO percentage.

*there is another problem. These ratings are American centered, so the better South Americans and Europeans are far less likely to make the ratings. After all, having rated fighters on American TV probably played a significant role in how these ratings were done. Take as an example, Luis Ignacio, a Brazilian light-heavy who I think was possibly never rated. He had wins over Mauro Mina and Gregorio Peralta. Was the always rated Eddie Cotton that much better a fighter? But Cotton had the American connections. Cotton also got two shots at the title to one for Peralta, and none at all for Mina, who not only beat Cotton twice, but Bob Foster, Henry Hank, Peralta, and a bunch of others.

Anyway, interesting work.

 

They also have a gig about Ring magazine . That has the boxer's records vs those that were in the top ten at some time in their career. I do the research and go by the fighter's who were ranked AT THE TIME!