Jersey Joe v.s. the Mongoose, 1950

Walcott by late ko.

 

I think Walcott could KO Moore also.

 

I think Moore could KO Walcott.

 

Walcott UD I don't think Moore was quite as good as Charles/Walcott

 

He could, but I think Walcott has the better of chance of it.

Both guys are sneaky counter-punchers/craftsmen. Moore is more aggresive, whereas Walcott uses more movement on the back foot.

I think in this way Walcott would be able to catch Moore coming in and stop him, I dont think I see Moore catching Walcott the same way, although with a puncher like Moore anything can happen.

 

Wow what a fight! Very similiar styles in terms of craftiness, and picking your shots wisely. You have to go with the naturally bigger man, with trickier feet, and a harder punch...Walcott. Two very hard punchers in here, Two very wise ring generals. This ends in a knockout.


Walcott KO 7 Archie

 

Walcott wins a Decison, great fight though. There is a chance that Walcott might score a KO but I think it goes the limit.

 

I believe Walcott would force Moore to chase him which could be to his advantage. However, Moore proved effective against another all time great counter puncher in Harold Johnson so I think he might have enough to squeeze past Walcott as Charles did, perhaps less impressively. If they fought multiple times, I wouldn't rule out Walcott scoring at least one stoppage. Very very very close ceberal fight I think.



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But Walcott was signifigantly bigger,stronger, and more powerful than Johnson. Walcott knocked Johnson out in 3 rounds when they fought. It was a walcott punch which floored johnson causing him to injure his back as he fell to the canvas.


I think moore would find himself slightly in over his head vs walcott. Walcott just has too many weapons for Moore. Charles and Patterson both stopped Moore inside the distance. Walcott will land on Archie the way he landed on Louis, Charles, and Marciano. I don't think Archie can take Walcott's best.

 

Deja vu

 

What do you mean :huh

 

I swear I remember He-Grant making this thread about a month or two ago. Maybe I'm just losing it.

 

Well, Charles and Patterson are offensive monsters with fast two handed attacks. Walcott chose his spots but would most likely try to time Moore and considering he's even more awkward than Marciano or Ezzard, could have some trouble. Johnson is as accurate as they come and Moore often had him swinging at air.

THis contradicts reports from the time:

Johnson collapsed without being hit. Dr. I. Joseph Levey, the commission doctor, later revealed that Johnson had suffered an injury to an intervertebral disc in his back.

 

That's pushing it. Perhaps Patterson. I think Walcott hit harder than both. Especially Charles. Everytime charles went toe to toe with Walcott on film, he got hurt. Charles did his best work vs walcott when he moved, boxed, and countered with his fast hands. But Walcott was really a big hitter. He put louis on his ass 3 times, and outslugged a prime Rocky Marciano at times. I think Walcott showed against Marciano when he wanted to be offensive oriented, few could slug with him. Walcott scored a lot of one punch knockdowns in his career. Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins, Joe Louis, Joey Maxim, Hatchetman Sheppard, Rocky Marciano, Ezzard Charles, Harold Johnson, Lee Oma, Tommy Gomez all suffered knockdowns/knockouts from only one walcott punch according to film/news reports. This corresponds with your point about walcott looking for a perfectly timed punch, but again, walcott was very good at it. He was able to perfectly time a punch on all these fighters. No doubt he would have timed Moore as well. Walcott might have finished Archie off with one shot, but if he didn't..I think he would have finished him off later in the round. If Walcott went after Archie the way he did Marciano, Archie is in deep trouble.

I understand styles make fights, but is it a coincidence Walcott did a lot better against both Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano? I also highly doubt Archie could have given Joe Louis 2 tremendously tough fights the way Walcott did, going arguebably 1-1. Moore was a very good heavyweight contender, even perhaps underrated as a heavyweight. But he failed against the very best. Ali, Patterson, Marciano. Walcott would have had his number too.

I think both fighters would box and move early, picking there shots wisely. I think Walcotts waltz/triple jab combinations/ and feints might overwhelm archie as he has never been in with a man as crafty as himself. In close, Walcotts superior strength and size might wear down Archie. Archie will get in a few hard shots that buckle walcotts knees here and there, but walcott will stay in control with his fast hands and fast feet controlling the range and pace of the fight. I think Walcott will time Archie's low left then eventually land the big counter right hand. Archie will get up at 8 groggy, and walcott will move in for the kill and finish him off with a monster left hook.

That's one report.

Other reports suggest the contrary.


"Walcott dropped Johnson for a count of 3 in the 2nd round. John Ox De grosa, Athletic state commisioner, said he believed Johnson twisted his back as he fell under a left hook in the 2nd round." - The Rock Hill Herald Feb. 9 1950


While Johnson did collapse in the 3rd round without being hit, it appears johnson suffered the injury in the SECOND round, when walcott floored johnson with a left hook. This means a walcott punch caused the injury. Full credit goes to Walcott in this case.
It's my opinion Walcott deserves every ounce of credit for knocking out Harold Johnson.