Jersey Joe Walcott : how good was he?

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  1. Rebel-INS

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    What do you think about the first Walcott-Louis fight? A lot of people thought that was a robbery. If Walcott had got the decision, would you rate him higher?
     
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  2. SuzieQ49

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    walcott beat the hell out of abe simon....his "horrible conditioning"(he shouldnt have been allowed a boxing liscense) made him exhaust himself out...it had nothing to do with simons talent.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

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    walcott-Louis I was a robbery, johngarfield was at ringside for the fight LIVE in 1947 december and he said it was CLEAR CUT that walcott won.
     
    SuzieQ49, Dec 9, 2008
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  4. McGrain

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    I only have extended highlights, but I certainly see it closer than JG.

    But who knows how those missing sections might affect that appraisal?

    Anyway or not, Walcott doesn't hold a win over the faded Louis. Those are the facts, and around 1/3 of the ringside reporters agreed with it.
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2008
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  5. DINAMITA

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    Bowe was an excellent heavyweight in terms of ability, there's no disputing that, but other than the two wins over Holyfield (achieved with a huge size advantage, and he also suffered a loss to Evander), what else is there to Bowe's career? Weak resume - not decent or mediocre, but weak IMO. It's one of those ones where the gap between them is not immense, but I can't see the case for it being Bowe above Walcott and not the other way around.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    I can't do any better than to explain it to you again -

    1 - Bowe was better

    2 - Bowe has the best wins.
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2008
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  7. Minotauro

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    I rate him as the 12th greatest heavyweight.

    I would put Marshall and Bivins higher p4p. He beat better fighters then Moore and Charles did at heavy although head to head at their best I would favour Charles.

    I have not done a top 100 so I can't really answer this.
     
    Minotauro, Dec 9, 2008
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  8. mr. magoo

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    Walcott was a journeyman
     
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  9. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bowe has one quality win over a guy he outweighed by like 25lbs while Walcott stopped Charles and beat possibly the greatest heavy in Louis. Plus Walcott cleaned up the division before he won the title his resume is a far amount better then Bowe's.
     
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  10. Minotauro

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  11. McGrain

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    All of this is true, aside from the fact that Bowe has two wins over Hollyfield.

    And regardless of the truth of this matter, it's still true that Bowe has the better win, Bowe is better.

    Do you have Walcott ahead of Wills?
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2008
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  12. mr. magoo

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  13. DINAMITA

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    So Bowe is better because you believe he has a superior skillset and he has the better win singular??

    All due respect McGrain, but that is a very flimsy basis for having Bowe above Walcott. Looking at their entire bodies of work, I say it has to be Walcott.
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 9, 2008
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  14. Minotauro

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    Bowe possibly has a better win then Walcott best sure but what does he have besides that? Little to nothing. And Holyfield had hepatitis in the third fight its a testament to Evander's heart and skill he was able to go 8 rounds and knock Bowe down while suffering that.

    If your so convinced Bowe has better wins list them becuase I feel he only has one quality win.

    I have Wills at 13 although him and Walcott are inter changeable.
     
    Minotauro, Dec 9, 2008
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  15. McGrain

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    He passed the boxing test at the highest level by dominating a trilogy with top 15 lock Evander Hollyfield.

    He is a better fighter - breaking that down we see that he was bigger, with more power, a better chin.

    He lost 1/42, at the very highest level. Walcott lost 18/71, which IS a factor.

    Bowe has other good wins - Golota x2, Donald, Hide, Dokes, Cooper.


    There's plenty there.
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2008
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