Jersey Joe Walcott in H2H matches.. How does he do?

I like Walcott over Norton and Foreman

Frazier matches up well against Walcott and tracks him down

Walcott gives Ali nightmares, this is a close one. I favor Ali, but this would be one of his toughest fights. Walcott's footwork was actually just as good as a 1960s Ali. This woud be spectacular to watch. Walcott doing the walcott waltz and Ali doing the Ali shuffle.

Walcott upsets liston in a close one. Liston's nightmare style is speed/movement/angles/trickiness. Walcott was that plus power. Walcott could also slip a jab with the best of em, and dish out triple jab combinations.

Walcott of 1947 might even beat Marciano. It's possible his faster feet allow him to stay away and not get caught by the big right hand the last few rounds.

Yes, Walcott was that good. He was an ATG talent of the highest calibre. One of the very best of all time. Eddie Futch even said so.

 

I can see Wally being up on points early to midway through a 10, 12 or 15 rounder with both "Norton and Foreman," but I think size and strength prevails here........ Joe Wally never kicked ass on a monster who was easily 215 to 220 pounds with wicked right hand power before...... I think Norton and Foreman track down the 195 pound Wallcott and off him......

MR.BILL

 

Ummm...Yes he did. Joe Louis. 6'2 213lb.



You want to question Louis' power in 1946?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUzJaokX_N8[/ame]



What do you mean by norton "tracks" walcott down? Who did Norton ever knockout that was world class? a washed up unrated jerry quarry does not count. Norton was not a big puncher. Norton could hit fairly hard with the right hand, but nothing mind boggling. I believe Walcott hit harder than Norton. Walcott's power certainly has a more noticeable effect on film, than Norton's.

 

great work suzie:thumbsup

 

i think ezzard charles, jimmy bivins and elmer ray are all worth mentioning

 

Wrong. Hoff was closer to 6'5. I don't know why boxrec changed it. There are reports at Hoff's height ranging from 6'3 to 6'6. Judging from the films, he looks closer to 6'6 personally.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...98,3040542&dq=hein+ten+hoff+6+foot+five&hl=en
Here is one source which lists him as 6'6


http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...pg=5664,5670271&dq=hein+ten+hoff+6+foot&hl=en

Here is another source. says Hoff is 6'4 1/2" and towers 6" over Walcott.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmNZZXLMng[/ame]

 

Yep. Don't forget Lee Q Murray, Harold Johnson.

 

well, as brilliant as johnson was at light heavy he wasn't really a natural heavy. tommy gomez is another great win (don't know much at all bout murray i'm afraid)

 

Tommy read my prior post. He was 6'5

 

Cleveland Promoter Believes
Murray Can Take Joe Louis
BY JACK CUDDY

NEW YORK, Dec. 7—(UP)—


Larry Atkins of Cleveland, America's second ranking prizefight promoter, believes that
Lee. Q. Murray, big Connecticut negro, is the most dangerous potential threat to Sgt. Joe Louis' heavyweight crown.

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This Atkins' praise of Murray was so entirely unexpected that a startled reporter inquired of the visiting Cleveland entrepreneur last night, "how come you boost, Murray, when he almost'ruined Jimmy Bivins, your meal, ticket, last week?" Atkins, a youngish, broadshouldered, black-haired chap of 41, fixed the reporter with steely eyes, and remonstrated,'In our Cleveland promotions,we have no meal tickets. We have cards. A Cleveland fighter is a card as long as he can lick anybody we bring in. When he loses to an outsider, the outsider becomes the card."In the case of Murray vs. "Card" Bivins of Cleveland, promoter Atkins was doubly fortunate. Little Bivins won an unpopular 10-round decision over Murray last Wednesday night, after Murray had the Cleveland negro staggering about the ring and dripping with gore. The fans booed the-decision so long, and so lustily that a re-match was as necessary as if by royal command. They'll tangle, again in late February — after both principals recover from their wounds. Atkins, who in four short years changed Cleveland from one of the country's worst fight cities into a promoter's paradise, said, "I knew Murray was a good fighter before I matched him'with Bivins. But during the first two rounds, I thought Murray would ruin me. He never let loose with a punch. Disgustedly, I left my seat at the ringside, and walked to the rear of the arena. But Murray was just mouse-trapping his man. He knew Bivins was a cutie and he was sucking him in. Bivins left himself open in the third round, and Murray hit him. Bivins rolled with that right-hand punch to the chin; but the force was so terrific that Bivins wasn't the same for the rest of the fight. I don't know whether little Bivins, who '.weighs' only about 187 ..pounds, or Murray, who has 200 on six foot three frame, is 'the better fighter. But Murray is the most dangerous. He's the most terrific puncher I ever saw; he hits as hard as. Louis. He's still a little awkward being, a converted Southpaw. But being a Converted Southpaw ' makes him a switch hitter, who can, knock you dead with eitherhand. And he's only 23." Atkins, in New York on a business trip, said it seemed a dream that he — an under study to Mike Jacobs — 'should have the two best civilian heavyweights in the world tied up on contracts He hoped he still had a contract on Murraywhen Sergeant Louis got out of the Army. ."



Ray Arcel called Murray "The best puncher of the era, besides Joe Louis"



Murray can be placed right along Jimmy Bivins and Elmer Ray. As you can read above, Murray was a dangerous boxer-puncher. He had good size too 6'3 210lb. Murray was rated top 5 in the world when Walcott beat him.

 

thanks for the info suzie:good puts murray into context

 

Jordoz...in case you didn't see the 2nd part I edited in



I don't know whether little Bivins, who '.weighs' only about 187 ..pounds, or Murray, who has 200 on six foot three frame, is 'the better fighter. But Murray is the most dangerous. He's the most terrific puncher I ever saw; he hits as hard as. Louis. He's still a little awkward being, a converted Southpaw. But being a Converted Southpaw ' makes him a switch hitter, who can, knock you dead with eitherhand. And he's only 23." Atkins, in New York on a business trip, said it seemed a dream that he — an under study to Mike Jacobs — 'should have the two best civilian heavyweights in the world tied up on contracts He hoped he still had a contract on Murraywhen Sergeant Louis got out of the Army."

 

I don't know of "Hoff" so I gotta look his ass up......

Wally did beat Louie over 15 rds in '47, but was butt-reamed by politics and the love for Joe Louis........ BUT! Louis did roar back in '48 to KO Joe Wally's ass in round 11......

Though Louis was not able to maintain his prime weights of 197 to 202 pounds as he aged.... That 211 to 218 that Louis carried in the late 40s and into the early 50s was bulk material on Louis' body......

I feel Walcott maintained his fighting weight much better as he aged......

MR.BILL