Jersey Joe Walcott Quotes Before The First Rocky Marciano Bout.........

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats out of character for Walcott to talk like that but he was a confident champion and I guess it is hard to see Marciano's subtle genius until you got in the ring with him. A lot of these experienced fighters like Moore, Walcott and Charles and 53-3 Lastarza felt they could beat Rocky but the power, stamina,relentless pressure and will to win and a solid beard with great recupritive power were hard to overcome in the ring. The mind knows how but the body cant overcome. Some very sharp posters here . Glad to see Rocky get his due from knowlegable posters.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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  3. Unforgiven

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    Walcott had fought a hard hard long road to become world champion, he'd been fighting professionally for over 20 years, usually for paltry purses, and against the best fighters out there much of the time. He'd overcome a lot to become champion, and he'd learned all the tricks of the trade of fighting. And he was still in great shape.

    It's understandable that he'd be confident of beating Marciano, who'd been a pro for about 4 years and who hadn't faced many top fighters among his 42 fights, and was really not a particularly polished fighter. It's understandable that Walcott would be a bit incensed by the reckoning Marciano was getting, and clearly this all motivated walcott.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Walcott called Marciano crude and said he'd retire is Rocky beats him. In fact he did. Marciano was the last fighter Walcott faced.

    While Walcott is being disrespectful, Marciano had a few shaky performances on the way to his title fight.
     
  5. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's the story of when Ali and Marciano had there sparring session........

    ''For a while in the fall of 1966, it appeared that they would get him back. There were rampant rumours that Marciano would come out of retirement to fight Ali. At one point, a rich texan came foward and offered $4 million to do so. Marciano thought about it and declined the offer. It was a wise decision. He would have found himself in the middle of a racial passion play. Moreover, the forty three year old had no chance of defeating Ali, who was then at the peak of his powers. A decade earlier it might have been a good match, but not now. As sports Illustrated obderved ''Forty Three is no age for a white hope.

    ''Eventually, Marciano did fight Ali- sort of. In 1969 a Miami advertising executive named Murray Woroner came up with the idea of staging a simulated, computer-generated match between Marciano and Ali on closed circuit television. Because both men were alive and well (Marcaino on the banquet circuit, Ali in exile), woroner could pay them to act out various scenarios in front of cameras. Then he could feed data on both fighters into the computer have the computer spit out how a mythical fight between the two would unfold, mtach the film to the computerized script and release it across the country, keeping the outcome very much in suspense. And thats' what proceeded to do. Woroner called his brandchild ''Superfight'' ''

    So in the summer of 1969, Marciano went on a diet, lost fifty pounds and put on what boxing historian Bert Sugar called ''the worst looking toupee i've ever seen'' Over the course of a week he and Ali boxed more than seventy five one minute rounds in a miamiwarehouse as the cameras rolled. ''They both had a pot on them'' recalls a bemused Angelo Dundee ''They were way out of shape. But thank God for the camera work. They looked like they were throwing punchers. Slow motion and they speeded them up with cameras'' Dundee remembered one especially amusing moment; ''Muhhamed threw a jab that came from the back that picked up the toupee. And Rocky says 'cuts the cameras, cut the cameras' He didn't want anybody to know that he had a rug on''

    Before Superfight, Marciano was not a big fan of Ali's. ''He never did like Muhammad'' recalls Dundee. ''He said he talked too much'' Lipstye says that Marciano had told me that he was ashamed of Muhhamed Ali because he felt that, in retrospect, it somehow stained the honor of his own championship-it kind ofreflected badly on the heavyweight champion''

    During Superfight though, according Dundee, Marciano became very friendly with Muhhamed'' Peter Marciano recalls that Ali always adresses Rocky as champ. Never called him Rocky, naver called him Mr Marcaino. It was Champ. it was the highest resoect you could give. Still, a competitive fire existed between the two men, at least from Marciano's standpount. Indeed after Superfight, Marcaino said to duva ''Ask him about his ribs'' When Duva did Ali responded ''Oh man, that guys crazy'' and lifted his shirt to reveal bid red welts.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    Rocky got to like Ali and Ali had a lot of respect for Rocky who he suprizingly said would be his toughest fight out of the Champions of the past. Marciano respected the title and he learned from his idol Joe Louis. In the end Marciano and Ali became friends and Marciano and Frank Sinatra were the ones to find a respectfull and prestigious job in Vegas..Louis loved it but the fast life got him involved with drugs and girls at an old age. Still its nice to see the respect some Champions have for one another
     
  7. PetethePrince

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    Great write up and spot on. :good

    To add on to it. Peter Marciano talked about how people should forget about the actual superfight. He says he tells people about the moment Rocky and Ali had. Rocky had a watermelon (I believe it was some sort of fruit) that he split and shared with Ali. They started talking and it was during civil rights and racial times in America. Rocky and Ali were talking about just how they could make things better. They gained a lot of respect from each other during the Superfight. Afterwards, Rocky smiled and told Angelo, "You're right Angie, he is a great guy." Prior to this Rocky said to Dundee that he thought "Ali talked too much." Dundee explained to him that "They were hustling and stuff." Eventually, I think Rocky saw through to how great of a person Ali was outside the ring and outside that braggadocios persona.