Jersey Joe Walcott vs Frazier's Best wins

He would have trouble with several of them. Ellis, Quarry, Bonevena, Doug Jones. Not sure how he does with Mathis because Buster was big and quick. Walcott would best Foster every time.

 

Walcott beats Quarry close. Ellis beats Walcott close but clear, Bonevena loses in an ugly fight with Walcott. Walcott beats Jones but I'm not betting that one.

 

If we're talking a JJW at his best against the others at there best I'll take him against them all except Ali. Some real close ones but ill take him

 

That's 9 classy fighters, some good, some great. Walcott's longest win streak was 12 with 8 of those being total filler types and the best being Oma, Bivens, Sheppard... so, I am saying he goes 5-4 against this lot.

 

I agree with Seamus. Walcott never strung together the type of consistency to run through that level of fighter without at least a few blemishes. Many of Walcott's wins were never even clear cut dominant performances, suggesting that he never really separated himself from the elite of the division the way Frazier had. Maxim, Ray, Charles, etc were usually razor close SD,MD type wins.
He loses at least 2 of those fights and prob more.

 

Hard to quantify JJW, he wasn't exactly Mr Consistency!
He should beat the versions of Jones and Machen that Frazier did.
He tops Chuvalo ,Mathis ,Foster.
Bonavena might take him close .
He gets a close dec over Quarry & Ellis .
Ali beats him clearly.

 

This said nothing about Walcotts consistency!
It said could Walcott beat these men. So I took it as best version of JJW against best version of the list strait up all at there best. Like I said some are tight but I got JJ over all excerpt Ali.
Again nothing about JJ consistency was mentioned.

 

Okay, sorry GUVNOR! My apologies!

 

Lol no need this wasn't aimed at you.
After my original post a got a couple after me about Walcotts best runs and so forth and I'm just saying that's not how the question was worded. If anything you seemed to answer it like my original answer.

 

"total filler types"

Joe Baksi? Lee Q. Murray?

Men rated in the top five multiple times.

Tommy Gomez?

A guy with a strong KO record and rated in the top ten.

Why are these opponents "fillers?"

Taking Ali out of the equation, Bivins, Baksi, Murray, Sheppard, Oma, and Gomez certainly hold their own with the eight Frazier opponents and were all at their peak, unlike Jones and Machen.

 

Walcott fought his share of punchers.

 

I was debating Bivins and Quarry on another thread, and the main thing that occurred to me is how difficult it is to compare across eras. After all, all the defeats someone suffered in the 1940's were to other 1940's fighters. None of the victories of the late 1960's and early 1970's fighters were over 1940's fighters.

For example, the post I just responded to dismissed Joe Baksi as "filler" in Walcott's resume. But Baksi was 6' 1" and 210 lbs., the same size as Chuvalo, and was a more consistent winner against top men in his own era. Off the films I have seen, he appears to me to be better than Chuvalo. Certainly I fail to see any argument that Chuvalo should be rated above Baksi.

Frazier's win over Ali puts him above Walcott for me, but the rest of his victims don't impress me as being better, or even stacking up, with Walcott's opposition.

Walcott's erratic record--2 losses each to Louis and Marciano, the dominant fighters of two boxing generations. A split in four fights with heavyweight champion Charles, winning two of three in a series with Maxin and Ray, and the loss to Layne. Walcott probably came closer to beating Marciano than anyone, and many felt he deserved the decision over Louis.

What do Louis, Marciano, Charles, Maxim, Ray, and Layne have in common. They all defeated a heavyweight champion other than Walcott.

In contrast, who was the best opponent Mathis defeated? How well did Machen do against heavyweight champions?

Only Quarry and Ellis, with close and disputed decisions over Patterson, ever had a win over a heavyweight champion among these eight fighters.

 

My take on the original question is that Ali beats Walcott,

but I favor Walcott over the other eight.