Jersey Joe Walcott vs Tua

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  1. lufcrazy

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    Does Michael Moorer knock Charles out at LHW as well?
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    Maybe I rate Walcott higher than you do.

    Someone of his ability shouldnt be losing to Maxim.

    But yes maybe I'm just making excuses saying it was lack of dedication. Maybe I'm blinding myself to the reality that Walcott and Maxim were not on a different level at all.
     
  3. foreman&dempsey

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    I dont care about lhw. Moorer was naturally bigger than Charles And hw moorer stops lhw and "hw" Charles .
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    So when both weigh 175, the fight is irrelevant. But if one is allowed to put on 50 pounds of muscle, it then becomes a fight worth debating?
     
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    If you alow both men fighting with no límit in weight with the same advantages.. Moorer wins.. Like i told you moorer was naturally a cruiser. He was skin And bone at 175 so he would be in Disadvantage at 175
     
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    I think Maxim had nights where he could be very hard to beat.

    Super durable and busy, he could steal decisions against great fighters.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    Put Charles in Moorer shoes, with his training regime ad I don't see why he couldn't be the same size.
     
  9. The Mongoose

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    Charles packed enough power to stop men "naturally" bigger than Moorer.

    Moorer presents some problems with his jab, but Charles would figure him out and put him to sleep.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    My last word.

    I think if Walcott was that vulnerable at least one of the dangerous puncher he faced below the ATG level would have caught him.

    Gomez in particular seemed to be a dangerous late round threat.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    Let's look at why he lost the rematch to Louis, was it Louis displaying an elite level of skill, or incredible timing? Or was it that Walcott left his chin out to dry thinking he had his man beat?

    The punch Louis landed was hard, could Tua have landed the same punch in the same situation? I've no doubt.

    Let's look at his loss to Rocky. Was that due to Rocky being an elite talent? Or was it that Walcott had swept the early rounds and was backing up too much until one point he ran out of room and found himself open. Can Tua pressure the same extent Rocky did? That depends wholly on his condition, but the Tua that fought Ike certainly could fight at a high pace.

    My final word: I think Tua would have to score a come from behind ko to win. If Tua is primed and fit and if Walcott showboats, I think Tua can get the job done.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    Both in the case of Louis. Walcott was getting cute and Louis timed him with a 1-2, knowing the jab would miss but a counter was coming that would leave him open to the right. He still needed a beautiful 15 punch combo to close the deal.

    Walcott bit on a perfect feint from Marciano. He got baited by a left fake and was throwing a right counter.

    I don't see Tua replicating these wins. Marciano created the opening, and Louis timed one. He caught Byrd with a right when he literally dropped his hands but not really his money punch, and he was too timid to follow up.

    I see your logic, I just disagree. Tua letting Byrd clown him is the deal breaker for me.
     
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    You will be receiving me all right, I know you like that salty taste from younger ones, you sick ****.

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