Jersey Joe Walcott vs Tua

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  1. The Mongoose

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    Ray and Gomez have several late round KOs on record, some are rather quality wins. Gomez knocked out Flynn in round 10 in a cone behind win for instance.

    Walcott always clowned, Louis was the only one that made him pay.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    I just can't imagine anyone clowning Tua and getting away with it.
     
  3. janitor

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    I can’t imagine Tua fighting too many ranked fighters, with some boxing ability, and getting away with it!
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    If those ranked opponents are disciplined I totally agree.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

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    That's what I've always read about Walcott but the more that I watch I don't see much matador-like about him, to be honest.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    You don't have to imagine. Chris Byrd did it on film. Wooden was cute with him too.

    Tua was not terribly difficult to out box.

    And it's not like Walcott was incapable of staying focused, the Louis fights are the only ones on film where he was clearly show boating.

    A lot this so called clowning was purposeful feints to confuse his opponents.
     
  7. janitor

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    How would you describe his strategy then?

    As a secondary question, why was he so successful?
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    He was a switch hitter who fought off the back foot and pot shotted.

    Matador is a fitting ****ogy.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Bollox, the reason Byrd won was body punching. He went against expectations and was the one to slow and force the pace.

    Byrd landed solid body combinations, plus was light on his feet. Not once did he begin to clown and offer his chin on a plate.
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

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    He fought flat-footed and coming forward plenty.
     
  11. The Mongoose

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    Eh, Byrd had success to the body but he also confused Tua with feints and movement, and won many rounds at range.

    What are you calling clowning exactly, Walcott never offered his chin. He used feints and movements to confuse his opponents, same as Byrd.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    Can you cite efficient examples of this?

    That doesn't describe Jersey Joe at all.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Not feints. When he deliberately placed his chin in danger hoping to lure a reckless attack.

    Byrd fought disciplined, with intense concentration for 26 minutes never allowing Tua chance to mount an attack.

    Walcott would play wth his opponent when ahead on points. He would put himself in danger to make his opponent look stupid ad land a huge counter. Sometimes it worked, against Louis it didn't.
     
  14. janitor

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    You seem to be trying to make Walcott into Max Baer here!

    In reality he had a record of success, in the same physical universe, that Tua had a record of failure in!
     
  15. mrkoolkevin

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    Most recent example I saw was against ten Hoff (who some people here were discussing as a "big man"). But I also noticed him doing it against Ezzard Charles and in spots against Marciano.

    I probably know less than any of you about Walcott, so I understand that I might be missing something but I think that his mobility and trickery seem overstated a bit on this forum. His strategy seems pretty straight forward to me: Against much slower fighters, he steps back and tries to linger just enough to tempt them to lead with something that he can counterpunch them. He did so with a slugger's style that left him kind of exposed in some spots too.