Jersey Joe Walcott vs Tua

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  1. The Mongoose

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    Nah. Byrd plays with Tua quite a bit.

    I think end of round 9 even, Byrd is even on the ropes with his tongue out, slipping attacks.

    The difference is Tua is no Louis.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    Not the same physical universe. Jersey was I'm the 50s and Tua was in the 90s.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    I would say I'll rewatch the fight but I don't remember it being that exciting and Lewis v Holy 2 is above it in my lost of fights to watch.

    What Jersey did against Louis was foolish. Even vs Rocky the way he backed up during an onslaught, not sure how he thought that would end. Sure he was only stopped twice in his prime and beat everyone except Layne, Louis and Marciano but his behaviour I'm the ko losses to Louis and Marciano, his lacustrine display against Layne. The losses to Ray and Maxim, they paint a story of someone who wasn't a dedicated professional even during his best years. And I just don't see a way that his offerings to Tua go unaccepted.
     
  4. The Mongoose

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    Luf...

    Might want to revisit late rounds of Tua vs Byrd. Went back skimmed these, and several instances of Byrd clowning.

    In round 10, Byrd is very careless. In last minute, he clowns on the ropes and gets caught by a big right...but Tua is no Louis, of course and fails to follow up.

    Byrd in the closing seconds actuallyl drops his gloves with Tua in range and howls, literally presents his chin with some nods but Tua is confused and scared to pull the trigger.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    Perhaps I will and if I agree, perhaps I'll give Jersey then benefit of the doubt.

    I certainly don't think 12 pounds of fat makes Byrd more durable than Jersey, for what it's worth. I just don't think Jersey's style can survive Tuas attack. But if the Byrd fight shows otherwise I'll happily concede.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    Hoff was a giant in a rain storm and we only have 4 minute highlights that are going to show action.

    Charles was a unique opponent who could out box Walcott making for strategically diverse fights. I still recall Walcott predominantly forcing Charles to lead.

    Spots...doesn't mean much. Every fighter does something out of character for spots.

    You just described what janitor said in your last paragraph, regarding his strategy.
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    Far from it. Tua's 73% KO ratio is far superior to Walcotts 45%. Unless of course you are trying to convince us Walcott was some kind of Heavyweight Willie Pep.

    Tua can take Walcott out at any time in the fight with just one shot. It is as simple as that. And more importantly he knows he can, and as a consequence due to his own solid whiskers, walks straight through anything Jersey Joe has to offer. As I said, this isn't Lennox Lewis or Ibeabuchi punching the Tuaman, it is merely Joe Walcott.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

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    I'll point out more examples when I've watched more of his fights.

    I might have been reading too much into janitor's description but I guess I think of someone who's slicker and more elusive when I hear the term matador. I think that Walcott's style of matadoring would leave him very, very exposed to a bull with Tua's handspeed, work rate, and strength. I'd put the odds at more probable than not that he ends up getting gored at some point.
     
  9. Reason123

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    Walcott is a bit of a tricky guy to figure out from I've seen. One minute he's trying to draw you in and counter like the matador. The next he's standing flat footed more toe to toe. I think there lies one of his tricks. You don't know what Walcott's going to do the matador routine boxing beautifully or is he going to stand there and engage more. He can do both really well which makes him very difficult to read.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    Walcott was elusive, we see great offensive fighters on film struggling to get off punches against him. Even Marciano's out put dropped considerably.

    How do? A basic jab was often enough to perplex Tua, look at the success ponderous wide open fighters like Oleg and Rahman had. An oridaniry technical fighter in Wooden made him look very poor, and a good technical fighter in Byrd in truth embarrassed him.

    Walcott only got gored by two all time great champions with killer right hands.
     
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  15. The Mongoose

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    He did. Joe Louis. Who unlike Tua was a dangerous combination puncher with both hands.

    Elmer Ray and Gomez possibly. Ray in particular was said to have middleweight hand speed. Sheppard was the most feared puncher of the era, could possibly been as quick as Tua.

    But your a Lewis boy, and you have to big Tua up as much possible. Even if it means claiming he had faster hands than Louis.

    And Marciano and Tua are probably not far apart at single punch delivery. Marciano was also superior at using both hands and moving his opponents into his power with feints.