Jess Willard vs Vitali Klitchsko

I never saw 78" reach for Vitlai, so I'd like to see that source. Let's see if you can build a reputation for being factual.

80" or 79" is more accurate. When Vitali fought Lewis, his arms were longer on HBO's reach, measured from the pit of the arm to the fist. 29.5" to be exact. Lewis with a listed 84" reach was 29" on HBO's measurement.

This proves Vitali had very long arms. Traditional boxing reach is often misunderstood. I prefer striking distance which also factor's in height, as well as the arm reach as if you have to reach up parallel from your shoulder you actually lose your striking range. Vitali was king here, and knew how to use this to the maximum.

Willard would be out inside six rounds, it would be target practice for Vitlai. Hardly competitive.

 

It really wasn't Vitali's style to swing for the fences early.

Kirk Johnson, Herbie Hide, Odlanier Solis, and Orlin Norris all went out inside two rounds.

Hide, Johnson, and Solis were ring magazine ranked. Norris a former champion at cruiser weight.

 

Not sure you can give credit to Vitali for Solis's knee breaking

 

You forgot his beating of champion Sam Peter, straight out of a 4 year retirement.
Charr who is now a champion and undefeated when Vitali pushed his **** in.
Kirk Johnson who was decent at that time.
Donald, Norris and Bean aren't cans either.

Let's look at Willard's resume:

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ummmmm,

ummmmmmmmm ...

OLD Jack Johnson ... who never beat anybody worth mentioning after that and actually smashed Willard up for 80% of the fight?

That's it.

One name worth mentioning.

Rodel and Moran are probably his next best wins and they'd get ****ing NOWHERE even in today's putrid HW division. They'd be two more bums on Wilder's resume, at best.

 

Lol@you of all people fact checking somebody.
His reach is listed at 79 so I was out by one.
He's still under reached against Willard and that's an issue for him since he can only box from range.
Vitali only fought small puddings for a reason.
He wouldn't even fight big man Macline even though he was a bum boxer.
The shot and old lewie he lost to was about as good if not worse than prime Willard

 

I used the names you picked.
Sam Peter, after his controversial split decision over a middleweight older than the Jack Johnson Willard fought
Johnson had already managed to lose to the worst "champion" in heavyweight history, if he counts, then so do Willards other wins, even more if you can count those three guys

There's one good win on Willard's resume, and that's one more than Vitali's

Johnson didn't smash Willard for the fight, he actually did very little damage to Willard who largely covered up well, and knowing the distance bided his time until Johnson was worn out.

And atleast Willard actually beat the ancient out of shape champion he fought, whereas Vitali got his face broken, and then postured around like a jackass after not protesting when he was actually stopped.

 

Solis : 79'
Briggs: 80'
Kevin Johnson: 82'
Gomez: 81'
Williams: 79'
Kirk Johnson: 81'
Lewis: 84'
Donald: 81'
Puritty: 80'

etc ...

Klitscko never had any problems on landing on these guys.

Crude as **** Moran with 77' reach had no trouble in finding Willard.

Little Gunboat Smith with a 72' reach and weighing 180lb outpointed Willard.

Jack Dempsey with a 77' reach beat the crap out of Willard.

Does this piece of absurdity deserve a reply? Is there ANYbody who believes this?

Dino's latest attempt to dump on the Klitschkos is a dead end wall and he just ran full tilt into it.

 

Sam Peter would have blown away that version of Johnson as well as Willard.

Did you hear Larry Holmes destroyed ALI? He is the GOAT.

He won something like 18 rounds on the trot

Old Lewis would probably have destroyed Willard and Old Johnson on the same night.

 

Sure bro

Your opinion backs up your other opinions. Very convincing.

Nice strawman

Congrats on not understanding things.
It was a 45rounder, effectively a finnish fight, winning rounds is basically irrelevant. Willard and Johnson knew this and fought appropriately, Johnson knew he had to stop Willard sooner, whereas Willard largely fought on the defensive and (successfully) nullified Johnson's attacks. Johnson was more active, but Willard took very little punishment, while Johnson exhausted himself.

Sure bro.

Your opinion backs up your other opinions. Very convincing.

I'm sure that out of shape mess of Lewis, with no stamina, would have thrived in a finnish fight in the heat of Havana

 

Dino,

You're always off. Vitali was tough to hit, Willard rather easy. Willard could not counter punch at all, Vitali can, plus he's far more skilled.

This is a mismatch, and even if Willard lands his best, Vitali has an excellent chin.

Vitali would not fight McCline? When? Dates and facts are needed.

 

Solis retired with a leg injury!lol

 

lol at the six round sam peter counter. like people in willards time just stood there waiting to be hit...

 

noone remembers that fat unfit fcuk

 

Vitally's signature wins are basically Sanders, Peter, and Adamek.

Ten out of ten for dominance, but not an exceptional resume in terms of depth, or quality of opposition.

Consider the possibility that Willard might do better than many are claiming.

 

A bit of context might be useful here:

The second best fighter that Willard beat was probably Luther McCarthy.

It was a no decision bout, but most papers seem to have Willard getting the better of it.

Obviously there were no rankings for the day, but Moran and Rodel were both touted as potential challengers.

Moran was quite highly touted as a contender when Willard beat him. I have seen posters for the fight that describe him as the outstanding challenger.

Floyd Johnson was being touted as a possible challenger for Jack Dempsey, when a past prime Willard derailed him.

Again not an exceptional resume, but I wouldn't describe Willard as a one hit wonder, like say Leon Spinks or Shannon Briggs.