Jess Willards athletic background

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    From Jess Willards biography:

    "Jess was a good athlete. He excelled at high-jumping and weight-lifting. He was proud of the fact that he was an excellent swimmer and able to beat any of the other boys in short distance or long distance swimming. And he was a great runner: "I could go out any time and turn off 100 yards in eleven seconds. This was fast enough to beat any of the lads in that section of the county, and I took many prizes at county fairs."

    He also played baseball. He got into many fights growing up, and refereed bare knuckle fights, where he would ensure brawls didn't occur. There is also a good chance he took boxing lessons with the local trainer as a youngster but it couldn't be confirmed.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    So, outside of the swimming and me being a lot faster, he and I are about the same. When does Pollacks book come out about me?
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    His early boxing career is of course a bit more shrouded in mystery.

    You occasionally encounter newspaper clippings suggesting that he had some earlier fights.

    Bottom line, this is one that Pollack needs to do!
     
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  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would you KO Jack Johnson though?
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The 100 yards in 11 seconds was probably run on grass, running on grass is way hard than running on tracks designed to make you run faster.
     
  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    But more importantly, did he do any pimping?
     
  7. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When there's a market for it I suppose.

    Seamus The Magnificent- The inspiring story of one mans unsubstantiated and unproven journey from being a track and field legend, power-lifting superstar, toughman contest terror to the internet forum sage and white guy skeptic we know and love today.

    This story needs to be told Adam!
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    No really, he said he was doing it regularly, so the error will average out.
     
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  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Did you run that time on grass?
    Are you 6’6 250lb?
    Were you an all around beast of an athlete?
    Did you win the HW belt of the world?

    No? Then there’s your answer of why there is no book about you and probably will never be.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He didn’t do it once. It says he could do it on a whim. And he competed in county fairs. Which if you look at historic footage from the era is where many athletic competitions and events often occurred.
     
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  12. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi, etc.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    Pollack took a break from books. PM me if you want more info. Willard looks clumsy to me on film. Maybe he ran a decent 100 yard time for 1915, but coordination was not his thing.
     
  14. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A guy 6-6, 240 who could run an 11 second 100 yards would be quite an athlete. I'm no expert on track times, but I'd think that if there is anybody alive today that size who can run that fast that person is a track athlete, not a boxer. I can remember when high schools still ran yards and not meters and an 11 second 100 yards would have won some high school track meets. But I don't remember a 6-6, 240 pound sprinter...I'm calling BS on the 11 second 100, and who knows if he could swim fast, high jump, or if the was strong? Watching him move I'm skeptical of all of those claims.

    The county where Willard lived had about 16,000 people between 1910-20. Not a lot of competition at the "county fair." Before I believe that Willard could break 14 seconds for 100 yards I'd need proof beyond what some old man told a writer. All old men were great athletes in their prime and great fighters too, just ask one.

    I'm sure a lot of hero worshipers will attack me for not "believing." I'm sure this BS will become "Forum Fact" soon and many of you will be repeating the "Willard was a great athlete" stories every time he is discussed. Until there is proof beyond what Willard told a biographer, I'll attribute it to the yarns of an old man who can say whatever he wants because he doesn't have to show anybody he can do it.
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    AJ is a pretty good track athlete.
    Better than Joe Frazier, who was smaller, shorter, and more compact.

    There were various first hand accounts given of his athletic background.
    Good to be skeptical, but hard to buy it from someone who has an axe to grind.
     
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