Jim Corbett v Charles Martin& Andy Ruiz?

Big Andy Ruiz knocks the consciousness clean out of Corbett within 4 rounds max.

The heavy handed speed would be too much for a broughton rules era boxer. .

https://cdn.britannica.com/59/18359-050-FCFB719F/James-J-Corbett-1897.jpg

Great haircut on him tho

 

Even if you accept that Jeffries was on the same sort of level as Ruiz, it would take an exceptional sort of talent to clown him.

They would have to have either some sort of good technique, or god given reflexes and ability to judge distances.

 

No it doesn't. And I don't think Jeffries is as talented as Ruiz. Not at all, in fact.

It sums up Jeffries as a fighter; exposing weaknesses. Jeffries outworked people, and tough guys with high workrates have some kind of success in any era. Jeffries has these advantages in an era of fat slobs with low workrates and high body fat percentages. Corbett doesn't have these advantages, and clearly isn't exceptionally talented on film. And Jeffries has a habit of doing poorly Vs guys 40lbs lighter than him.

 

Broughton Rules?

You're over 100 years out there

 

I agree. Of all the old time champion fighters I’ve seen on film, I’d have to say Corbett is the one who impresses me the least. But I often wonder if maybe I’m being too influenced by that film of Corbett fighting Peter Courtney in front of Edison’s Kinetograph. The problem is that it wasn’t really a legit fight and Corbett seems to be playing around somewhat, but at the same time, it is the most clear footage I have seen of Corbett actually boxing. I have to think he would look much better if we could see some higher quality film of him in real fights.

 

Corbett was very, very unorthodox.

He was also probably the most athletically gifted heavyweight ever, which probably explains why he can get away with such unorthodox techniques, like Roy Jones and Muhammed Ali did. If anyone else, of his time or any other time used corbett techniques i think they get killed, well actually i think Ali might just get away with it.

Corbetts Jab is the most most unorthodox i have ever seen. It looks wildly telegraphed and is more like a hybrid straight armed combinatino of the Jab and Uppercut. And it is always delivered from the low position. A little like the vitali Klitchsko jab, but not really.

I dont know who successful Corbetts style would be, particularly against modern fighters, but, if imagining these fights, you know that the modern fighter is going to be circled and will need to move into range and will open himself up in doing so. He will be fighting a much faster fighter (unless he is muhammed ali or someone similar). Corbett is also underated in close. When the range is closed, corbett will cover up, and he will throw quicker hooks and in close punches before moving out of range. He isnt going to be an easy win either way.

That being said, i agree that chin looks so stuck out and open, so when corbett does mistime a duck or slip, it is going to be brutal, and he doesnt have a Muhammed Ali level chin. If he is caught, he is probably put to sleep.

 

Corbett had a good enough chin to take flush shots from Choynski, McCoy, and Jackson. Three good punchers. Plus Sharkey. His chin wasn't on Ali's level, few are, but clearly solid to good.

I agree wit the top portion of your post. Well done. Corbett could bend at the waist and during the motion shoot a straight right to the body ( with either hand ), then shift out of the way before the other fighter could react. Never saw a straight body shot quite like this.

Corbett UD Over Martin. Martin can't box and is chinny. He's just big.

As For Ruiz jr, it depends on his weight.

 

They don't get it. Corbett has fast feet, was hard to hit cleanly to the head due to amazing reflexes, and had 15+ round stamina. He's also proven durable, and had very fast hands. The big and slow or fat aren't going to catch him with much.

 

Joe Louis said you can only judge a man in his own time. Every sport has progressed since the 1900s. Look at the marathon world record, it's gone from just under 3 hours to sub 2 hours. This is a sport that's been around since ancient Greece

If the boxers from 1900 were around today, maybe they'd get a more substancial diet growing up and be bigger men, they'd have greater predecessors to learn from, better trainers, they'd have modern sports science, better equipment, PEDs, etc etc

Then again I think the talent pool from 1900 looks shallow. Back then Jack Johnson was getting arrested for participating in a boxing match. So participation was probably much less.

 

The marathon record is not sub 2 hours. It's 2:01:39.

The "sub 2 hour marathon", was ran under such contrived conditions that it didn't count as a world record. No one is even close to a legitimate sub 2 hour marathon, and given the age of the top marathon runners, it'll probably be a while since we see one.

In comparing early olympic marathons to modern ones, you are comparing a group of amateurs (not even the world's best as the first olympics didn't attract the top athletes), who could be banned for being professionals (and many of the top ones were), and for the most part no one even running those early Olympic marathons had no experience racing those distances.

In boxing you're comparing a group of professionals, many of which have long records, and tons of experience, with those with shorter records being the exceptions, to another group of professionals, who again mostly have long careers and lots of experience, with some exceptions. Fitzsimmons had predecessors to learn from in Jem Mace and Larry Folley, Corbett learned boxing as an amateur, and a top amateur at that, in time when amateurs fought finish fights, he also had an exhibition with Jack Burke, so clearly had exposure to earlier boxers to learn from.

Track and field is it's own thing, with lots of politics and history, it's record progressions are not some abstract measurement of the level of top athletes of sport in general over time.

 

Do you think Choysnki can punch? How about Peter Jackson and Tom Sharkey? And Kid MCoy? And Kilrain? Sullivan? Answer these questions please, no ducking.

That " middleweight " was Bob Fitzsimmons, the heavyweight champion of the world.

Also, your information is WRONG yet again, Corbett was only stopped 3 times, not 4 as you claim. 2x by Jeffries, once by Fitz. He also has more than 18 fights! Even Box Rec has him at 20.

Two errors in two sentences....

Serious question, why are you so bad at getting the information correct, and why are you errors never in favor of the fighters you dislike? What gives?

***Footnote, it wasn't just one punch by Fitz; he followed it up with a hook. Due to movie audiences asking for the reply of the Knock out so often, the back and forth on the older film worn down, leaving us with missing frames. *** Since you didn't; know that I'm not going to count that as the 3rd error.

 

Martin and Ruiz for me.