Jim Corbett vs Billy Conn

Maybe so, but did any of them think Conn was better?

 

Mendoza, Conn didnt really lose at his peak, Corbett beat a pre prime Conn

 

LOL...not in Hollywood

 

I Like Conn here, a more complete modern fighter who came up in a competitve era...fast hands and feet and watching those films was better defensively

 

I used Corbett's weight when he won the title 178 lbs, given that he was 26 years old that seems entirely reasonable to me ,no cherry picking at all.
I'm not aware of any comparisons of Conn and Corbett made by the press ,if you have them please produce them.
"Corbett was as fast as they come and well versed with feints and head movements".
And Conn wasn't?
The difference between our posts is, I said I think Conn was quicker, .You stated unequivocably " Corbett was faster " . You don't know that, or that he hit harder.
Young Corbett 111 beat by dec Conn in 1937 , Conn was 19 years .A month later Conn whipped him clearly, you failed to mention that ,cherry picking?

Young Corbett was a stubby 5 7 1/2 in Welter weight title claimant. he fought ,NOTHING like Jim Corbett , for a start he was a SOUTH PAW.
Corbett 111 was NOT named after Jim Corbett by the way.
Conn beat big men such as Gunner Barlund by ko , Barlund was 194 1/2lbs 40-12-0.
Buddy Knox by ko, 190 86-15-4.
JD Turner 2271/2,dec, and guys like Savold and Pastor.Conn hit harder than his record suggests he stopped Pastor and hurt Louis,and he is more proven as a WINNER against big men than Corbett.Who became Champion after wearing down a diissipated Sulllivan, who was 20 lbs over weight, and it took Corbett 21 rds to do it before Sullivan collapsed , from exhaustion .
Corbett defended against a 158lbs Mitchell ,then was kod by a 167lbs Fitz. Conn gave Louis life and death for 13 rds and was ahead at the time of the stoppage.
I took you to task because you stated emphatically as fact, things you have NO WAY OF BEING CERTAIN ABOUT.

"Maybe so ,but did any of them think Conn was better"?
Did any of them think he wasn't?
I also posted my reply to Janitor as I prefer NOT to talk directly to you .

 

Got any sources that say he wasn't?

 

I have 20+ separate opinions from historians and authors. What you need to know is this. Prior to 1970, Corbett is mentioned several times as a top 10 talent at heavyweight.

Prior to 1970, very few opinions view Conn as a top ten light heavyweight.

Now do you have any soruces that suggest Conn was better? :_)

 

Why do you post as though you are a venerable sage ,a Hank Kaplan figure ?
What are you early 30's?
I'm 60 ,and am very well aware of historians view points about Corbett.
I was reading about them before you were hatched,and watching super 8 mm film of him.
Anyone who doesnt think Conn is a top light heavy is not going to get any credibility from me.
Conn was a great light heavy imo ,who beat some good heavyweights like Pastor. Do you think Charley Mitchell was better than Pastor?
What are Corbett's best wins ?
defeats of Choynsky are impressive ,but Choynsky was a super middle .
And they were early in Choynsky's career when he was, debuting ,had 3 fights ,4 fights etc.
A win over middleweight Dominick McCaffrey.
A win over bare knuckle fighter Kilrain.
A win over middle weight Mitchell.
A very impressive draw with Jackson ,who was nursing an injury.[ Corbett avoided him thereafter]
A wear down of a shot Champion in Sullivan.
A win over McCoy in A FIXED FIGHT.
I havent said Conn beats Corbett ,but it would be very close, imo
I have never seen Corbett and Conn compared have you?
If so please show it.

 

I'm not going to be drawn into a silly debate, embarrass you, then watch you lose your temper. Its rather boring.

It might interest you that I have oh, about 100 pages of prominent historians and boxing writers opinions. In general Corbett is held in higher regard at heavyweight, then Conn was at light heavyweight.

Very very few see Conn as a top 10 light heavy...and in some cases 50 years have passes. So I guess all those guys have no credibility in your book.

As I mentioned before the press in Conn's day referred to him as something of a poor man's corbett....AKA, not quite as good.

Having said that, please prove to be that the McCoy fight was fixed.

And you might want to take note that Corbett as Champion offered Peter Jackson a re-match....It was Jackson who refused.

 

I see no mention of your silly comparison between Corbett and Young Corbett 111, thats a start I suppose.I have regard for any writer who writes objectively.
What must be remembered is that those guys rating Corbett in the top 10, never saw the later great Champs like, Ali ,Frazier, Foreman ,Liston.
How many votes has Corbett got in the poll on this site?
Show me any writer who thinks the Corbett McCoy fight was on the level.
Any comment about my appraisal of Corbetts record ?
As far as Jackson goes , I posted several articles on the thread about him.
Corbett initially refused to rematch him,then agred to fight him ,ONLY in Jacksonville .Jackson refused and gave his reasons in an open letter to the press,which I posted.
I dont want to carry this on because ,though I feel it would have been a close fight and have no preference personally.I am aware of why you boost Corbett as is everyone else with half a brain.

 

Why not? The champion dictates the venue, not the challenger.

In this case Corbett offered two locations, New Orleans and Jacksonville. He meet with Jackson in a hotel with representatives.

All Jackson had to do was accept the venue, then prepare for a big fight, with a big pay day. Since Jackson balked, Corbett can not be held accountable for not offering a re-match as poster McVey ascertains.

 

Jackson would be in no danger. In fact I have yet to read a match in the 1890's where a fighter was assaulted by the fans. That stuff happened in Riddick Bowe matches in the 1990's. Back in those days if a fighter's second entered the ring, it cost him the winners purse. There were often law men near the ring as well.

By all accounts Peter Jackson was well liked, and a gentleman. In many ways he was the polar opposite of Jack Johnson.