Jim Corbett vs Billy Conn

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by janitor, Jul 2, 2009.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,126
    Jun 2, 2006
    If you want to go into this ,I suggest you read the thread about Jackson .
    The National Sporting Club in Convent Garden were initially keen to put this fight on and offered good terms to do so ,Corbett refused ,he wanted the fight in the South .
    After Jackson was safely back in Australia ,Corbett challenged him to a fight at the Sporting Club, aware that The Club had withdrawn their offer after Corbett's procrastinating.
    Corbett also rubbed salt into the wound by calling Jackson a craven cur and a rank coward.Nice man, Gentleman Jim.
    Fact , Jackson waited nearly 3 years trying to get a fight with Sullivan, John L could at least say he was past his best .in excuse.Likely Jackson would have stopped him and probably quicker than Corbett, as reports say he was a harder puncher than the Bank Clerk.
    Fact, Jackson pursued Corbett for 3 years without result .Corbett DID NOT WANT A RETURN GO WITH THE BLACK PRINCE.
    After Corbett and Jackson's 61 rd stalemate, Corbett had a meaningless 4 rounder against Ed Kinney whose record was 0-0-0, he had qualified to meet Sullivan by virtue of his fight with Jackson.
    Jackson who had lost but once in 43 fights ,for the Australian Title in his second year, was shunted aside, first by Sullivan and then by Corbett,and everyone knows it , even you.
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    You might want to put a few spaces between your sentences, and ponder the fact that boxing back then was all about the live gate. Fights were not easy to make in those days, and mixed race matches on the championship level were even harder to make.

    Corbett was famous in New Orleans for his Sullivan match, and Jacksonville for his Mitchell match. Why should the champion be forced to fight in an area where he won't draw as well? The challenger does not dictate terms.

    The bottom line is Jackson and Corbett meet in the same room to discuss negotiations. Jackson was offered TWO locations and balked. All he had to do was pick one location, then show up in shape.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,126
    Jun 2, 2006
    That's all I need ,you attempting to give me lessons in punctuation:lol:.
    All about the live gate ? You mean Corbett Jackson wasn't filmed?:patsch
    How come Corbett, the defending Champion ,fought Fitz in Carson City Nevada?
    Was he famous there too?:lol:
    You have the arrogance to tell me my grammar / punctuation is at fault?
    Some examples culled from your posts on this thread

    1st post stamaina [stamina]
    2nd post referred [refereed]
    5th post soruces [sources]
    6th post ascertains [asserts] Not a spellling error, wrong use of word. Ascertains ,means determines, asserts means declares ,affirms ,maintains.

    I would not point these out to anyone else ,but you are such a pompous piece of work.
    Are you on the ceiling now ?
    Because I just punctured your smug balloon!:lol:
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,044
    48,166
    Mar 21, 2007

    So what? What difference does it make that you can't point to an assault on a fighter by white spectators on a black fighter safe at your computer in 2009? You surely see that it's a little different for fighters contemplating a huge battle against a white man in the south? Lynchings still occured there.

    Some fighters don't want to go to Germany because they feel they might not get a fair shake in 2009. You relaly have to ask "why?" concerning why Jackson didn't want to fight in the deep South more than 100 years previously?
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Would the crowd be for Corbett? Sure. But that would be the case in most towns anyway.

    Since most title fights were well over 15 rounds back then, the judging meant less.

    There were no attacks on fighters in the ring, or in towns. Fighters often had an entourage, and law men were present. In addition, the gamblers on the fight wanted two healthy combatants.

    Again, my point is Jackson had a chance for the title and the re-match. While the venue wasn't the best for him, it still was a chance at the title and a huge pay day.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,599
    27,272
    Feb 15, 2006
    It happened to Jack Johnson pleanty of times in his early career. After one of the McVea fights he fled from the ring pursued by an angry mob (he did throw the contents of his spit bucket at them before taking to his heels).

    Sullivan was involved in a couple of post fight scuffles and Jem Mace narrowly survived an asaination atempt after one of his fights.

    I think that Jackson would have been in verry real danger if he had taken the fight on the terms proposed. I further think that Cobett picked those locations knowing that Jackson would either have to refuse or fight at a considerable handicap.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,126
    Jun 2, 2006
    The voice of reason.:yep
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,044
    48,166
    Mar 21, 2007
    And my point is that expecting such an important fight with such ideological ramifications in a time and place where lynchings were still a part of the culture is ridiculous.


    And here you are.

    But you have your opinion, and I have mine, and that is fine.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,126
    Jun 2, 2006
    Jack Johnson was shot at 2 days before his fight with Jeffries, I suppose thats a minor inconvenience :lol:
     
  10. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

    908
    85
    May 18, 2006
    Since there was some question as to their historical placements I took the liberty of finding the International Boxing Research Org. lists

    I find it interesting that in each list Billy Conn and Jim Corbett are next to the same man :)

    IBRO all time rankings last posted 2005
    Heavyweight
    Joe Louis
    Muhammad Ali
    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey
    Rocky Marciano
    Larry Holmes
    James J. Jeffries
    George Foreman
    Sonny Liston
    Joe Frazier
    Gene Tunney
    Lennox Lewis
    Mike Tyson
    Evander Holyfield
    Sam Langford
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles
    Harry Wills
    James J. Corbett
    Bob Fitzsimmons

    Lightheavyweight
    Ezzard Charles
    Sam Langford
    Gene Tunney
    Bob Foster
    Tommy Loughran
    Michael Spinks
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Billy Conn
    Roy Jones, Jr.
    Maxie Rosenbloom
    John Henry Lewis
    Harry Greb
    Tommy Gibbons
    Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
    Jack Dillon
    Harold Johnson
    Jimmy Bivins
    Georges Carpentier
    Battling Levinsky



    I think it would be great fight!
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,126
    Jun 2, 2006
    As understand it then Corbett is rated no19th Heavyweight
    and Conn no 8th Light heavy.
    I wonder how many of the light heavies rated above Conn ,Corbett would defeat?