Jim Corbett vs Harry Greb

I'd bet the house on this being wrong.

 

Not the house, but I would still bet on them

 

Well, I put it to you: what effects do you think tiny gloves and extremely permissive clinching have on boxing?

Go back only a few years from that and you have London Prize Ring rules. Corbett's style is actually built for those rules. What do you think happens to boxing when you've got bare knuckles, chokes, throws, and systematized holding-and-hitting?

 

I havent fantasised anything about Corbett's style. They are both fast, and both rely on defense and largely (though not exclusively) like to hit with the long range punches and at a distance. They are similar, within the context of the times they are fighting!

I havent drawn any conclusions on this fight yet. YOu are the one that pointed out corbetts deficiencies, from memory. POinting out basic mistakes like Fighting with his chin in the air, telegraphing his hooks, leaning back etc. Obviously these are all common faults and if Ali fought like that he would not be as successful as he was but my question is how succesful would have. My question was do you think he could get away with these deficiences and still win. When you consider his habit of leaning back and rope a doping, he pretty much did get away with some pretty poor fundamentals. How is it that we can still call him no 1 of all time?

 

Styles and techniques are very important. But they are not the end all be all. Things that are more important to me are accuracy, power, agility, and intelligence.

The human body is the human body. How specialized can your stance be that you avoid a Fitzsimmons jab?

 

Oh c'mon.

What do you think happens to Gentleman Jim Corbett and his thong if Mike Tyson was allowed to punch him with his bare fists, choke Corbett, throw him to the ground and hold and hit him?

Jesus Christ. Tyson would manhandle him like he manhandled Desiree Washington.

Look at Mitch "Blood" Green's face after his Harlem dust up with Tyson.

If Tyson hit Corbett to the body once, like Fitz did, Corbett would go back to the stage and never fight again.

Corbett's "style" wasn't meant for London Prize Ring rules. He knew how to run and duck in an era when guys just swung wildly. That's essentially what made him different.

He'd get destroyed by later heavyweight champs with London Prize Ring Rules, too. Because the later champs were bigger, stronger and knew how to properly punch, defend, move, jab, counter ...

That's the whole point.

Think Rid**** Bowe would lose to Corbett if Bowe was allowed to choke Corbett and throw his *ss down on the ground?

Bowe would hold him up on the air with one hand and pummel him with his other. And then grab his duct tape and knife and throw him in the van to go grab his ex-wife.

Corbett was fine for the brief window of time he fought in. He wasn't suddenly going to be awesome again later if people took off the gloves and were allowed to choke.

This conversation has seriously gone off the rails.

 

"How dare they challenge me with their primitive skills. They're just as good as dead."

:good

 

No, they'll just be incredibly easy to hit.:good

 

Yup. Corbett would just stand there with his chin out, and his hands down, standing still!

You've seen the footage, his punch is as powerful as a feather!

 

Watch the Fitz fight. Corbett basically did that the whole time. Hands down. Chin up. Standing around.

Let's see Corbett deal with Larry Holmes pumping 80-100 jabs in his face every couple minutes for an hour. Did Corbett slip a jab in his life? Did he fight anyone who jabbed?

Every boxer who has stepped in the ring in the last century has fought someone who jabbed.

Corbett never fought any.

What happens when Rid**** Bowe starts unloading the combinations on him that he battered Holyfield with in their first fight.

Who hit Corbett with a combination? Who threw a one-two (jab-straight right) at Corbett in his whole damn career?

The most basic combination a person can throw?

Anyone?

Corbett would've been hopelessly lost. And if the guys who knew how to fight didn't have to wear gloves, and they could choke him in between pummeling him with combos, they'd freaking kill him.

 

Jesus you guys never let up, do you?

 

As I have said, Corbett was ko'd by one punch to the body from a middleweight. Prime Sullivan would probably have landed his right hand at some point and closed the show.
Corbett's resume is simply awful.

 

Peter jackson was famous for the straight 1-2.