Jim Corbett vs Joe Jeannette

One of these things is not like the other...

Corbett's top 5 wins:
1) Alcoholic, completely shot Sullivan
2) 21 yr old Joe Choynski
3)165 pound Charlie Mitchell
4) Jake Kilrain
5) A faked win over Kid McCoy

Jeanette's Top 5 wins:
1) Sam Langford KO8
2) Sam McVea KO49
3) Sam Langford Dec 12
4) Battling Jim Johnson NWS10
5) Sandy Ferguson Dec. 12

And I've thrown out the Carpentier and Johnson DQ wins...

 

Point out his moments of excellent infighting.

 

I've seen what's out there, I just don't see any good inside work from Corbett.I'm not saying he wasnt competent at it, I just don't see it in the footage we have of him.

 

I don't see anything to draw conclusions from in that brief clip,just a tangle.
Fitz was troubled by Corbett's speed and hit and get-away tactics not his clinching. Fitz was between 20 -30 pounds lighter than the mature Jeannette.
Corbett's best opponents were
Jackson
Fitz
Jeffries
Sharkey
How many of them did he beat?

 

You mean
1) Langford, a small middleweight who'd never fought at heavyweight
2) This guy

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3) An overweight and declining Sam Langford
4) A journeyman, that he also dropped NWS decisions to
5) Another journeyman, who he also dropped a fight to

And throw in a controversial decision over an undersized Carpentier

 

JJ by ko 14

 

Fair and balanced stuff, eh Seamus?

1. How old was Sam Langford for that fight in 1905? 19 years old and I bet under a 150 pounds. Thats your #1 win. Smaller and younger than Charlie Mitchell.

2. Jeannette had ability and multiple chances to fight a lilted Mcvey. Sure he won his share. Mcvey won a match in 1909.

3. He also lost to Battling Jim Johnson twice.

4. And to Ferguson once.

5. Langford beat Jeannette in their most significant matches in 1908, 1910, 1911, and 1913 when they were in their primes.
Did Jeanette ever beat a prime Langford between 1908-1914? As you might have guess, no he did not. I'd have to double check, I'll let you do that

**My point every one of his best wins beat him, some multiple times**

I'll be fair and throw out Joe's two losses to Kid Norfolk and not mention Harry Wills who owned Jeanette.

There is no evidence the Kid McCoy fight was fake, read the news reviews it was a war while it lasted.

I have read in to Jeannette as he's an interesting guy who never got his due, No historian or promoter of the times ranked him above Corbett.

Corbett only lost to the very best. Jeanette lost to some mediocre opposition. There's the difference.

 

He did beat;
McVey
Langford
Carpentier
Ferguson
I think that is a superior winning resume. Unless you think a totally shot, bloated ,alcoholic Sullivan who had been inactive for years is a particularly note worthy win?
A washed up middleweight Mitchell and a couple of LPR guys is the extent of his winning resume.
NB Jeannette had 14 fights when he defeated Langford the first time. Langford 60.

"Wills owned Jeannette?" Did he?
They fought 3 times .
Jeannette 33 & 34 drew with Wills and Wills beat a 40 years old Jeannette on points ,is that owning?
Jeannette beat a 32 years old 159 fight Langford in 1915, that tops anything Corbett ever did!

 

I'd like to point out that in those days hitting while in a clinch was usually not allowed unless one hand was free. Corbett clinched so as to deny his opponent from hitting him and not because he was good at infighting, which by definition was not allowed.

 

George Siler the referee ,stated that for this fight either man could hit on the break as long as one hand was free.

 

That was a great fight, wasn't it? Our seats allowed us a clear view to the combatants.

 

I wasnt sitting, I was working Fitz's corner.