"Jim J. Jeffries vs. Max Baer" (Heavyweight Title Dream Fight.) Who is the man?

This is pretty pathetic , even by your miserable standards.
N. B. Jeffries was kod in the gym by James J Corbett, probably the lightest hitting of the Heavyweight Champions

Here is that "super middle ",at age 46.

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He went 20 rds to a draw with Jim Jeffries , broke his nose, and smashed his mouth in , hit him with what, Jeffries described as the "hardest blow I ever received," despite Jeffries outweighing him by 63lbs.
N.B. When Choynski kod Johnson , both were super middles.

You need to raise your game by about 50000%


Having you around for "Comic Relief" is fine ,but try and add another dimension to your posts, such as grammatically, punctuated ,readable ,sentences.

 

Nope, not nobodies alt and you still havn't given any reason as to WHY Jeffries would beat Baer. I believe Jeffries loses because he has never proved himself against larger men of a certain calibre and Baer being harder punching and more durable, if that's comedy then must a ****ing comedian considering your posts. You appear here for trolling purposes. Shoo :hi:

 

1--Uzcudun--I don't have any idea who was the tougher between Uzcudun and Jeffries. Both were known to be able to take it. The question is irrelevant, however, as Baer did not ko, or come close to koing, Uzcudun. Baer did not ko Braddock either. Not being able to ko Uzcudun or Braddock is hardly proof that he had the punch to ko Jeffries.

2--Galento--I am happy that Galento was big and tough and a better puncher, etc. He was however stopped in 4 by the 168 pound Al Gainer, while it took Baer 8. By the way, Gainer, who was the same size as Fitz and Choynski, not only stopped Galento, but defeated the supposedly too big for Jeff, Braddock.

3--Yes, I think using Braddock's victory over Baer as a claim that Braddock was tougher than Jeff's competition strikes me as a circular argument, as Braddock otherwise looks pretty ordinary. Compare him, for example, to Charley Retzlaff. Braddock's biggest win over a heavy on his way to the title shot was a victory over Art Lasky. Retzlaff stopped Lasky. He also beat Braddock himself, and had a much more impressive won-lost record and ko record.

4--Nova--seems to be another fighter who was grossly overrated because he could outfight Baer. He was, after all, stopped twice by Lee Savold.

 

Gainer stopped Galento because of a badly cut eye suffered by Galento.
But browsing through his record made me think that Herb Goldman did not overrate him when he rated him d 25th greatest lightheavy of all time .

 

1--I don't know why an ATG taking 15 rounds in blistering heat to ko a Jeffries who had been off for 6 years is "with ease." Jeff lasted longer in this fight than Baer did twice against the ordinary Nova, despite being several years older than Baer was. As for "toying", I have seen all the film of this fight which exists (according to the National Film Registry which I questioned on this matter) and I don't really see any toying going on.

2--Baer never went the distance with Louis or Nova, so why bring them up?

3--It is certainly arbitrary to say Carnera was a bigger puncher than Fitz or Sharkey or even Choynski, regardless of size.

4--After his first fight with Jeff, Fitz blasted out Ed Dunkhorst, who was certainly big, as well as top contenders Sharkey and Ruhlin.

 

"badly cut eye"

Fair enough, but Baer didn't put Galento down either. Galento claimed a broken hand, apparently, but definitely had a badly cut lip.

 

My thoughts expressed by some1 else .

 

As mentioned earlier by others , Baer was way more proven .


edit : Jeffries was more massive , Baer was taller , neither had a big advantage over d other .

 

"Baer is probably a much bigger stronger (and younger?) man than the men Jeffries was accustumed to take on."

And also probably not as fast or as skillful (Sharkey excluded).

You assume that because he was big and strong, he gives Jeff more problems than the lighter, faster, more skillful men did. It might work the other way. Jeff could prove stronger and tougher than Baer, and without a speed or skill advantage, Baer would then be a "made for" opponent for Jeffries.

**This matchup is sort of like the old Mexican matchups of a bull with a bison. The bison always won because it was just better than the bull at the bull's own game. I think Jeff might prove better than Baer at Baer's own game. Someone like the dancing Corbett could be expected to give Jeff a better fight.

 

"Baer was bigger than Jeffries"

was he?

Baer was taller, but Jeffries generally weighed more at the same age.

 

Baer's weight ranged from a career low 190 2 a career high of 224 , whereas Jeffries' weight ranged from 201 2 227 , so Jeffries may have been stronger but he was 1 of d most proven cases of a relatively strong man who punches weak 4 his strength , or otherwise Tom Sharkey and other welterweights and lightmiddleweights (by 2day's standards) wouldn't have been so competitive against him .
Jeffries most probably hit weaker than Ken Norton , was about as strong , and there is no evidence that he was even as durable as Ken Norton , let alone more durable than him .
Ken Norton fought Foreman , Shavers and that's were 2/3 of his stoppage losses that matter came from . The other was Jose Luis Garcia whom despite his lack of mass 4 a heavyweight of his generation , was a huge monster compared 2 Choynski , Sharkey and Fitzsimmons .
Put them aside and 1 must have 2 assume that Ron Stander , Jerry Quarry , Jose Luis Garcia , Duane Bobick and even Ali and Holmes all hit harder and were more durable than Jeffries' opponents .
And Norton outpointed/stopped/at least went d distance with these guys and others so if anything there is more evidence that Norton was more durable than Jeffries and even hit harder . Jeffries might only have been stronger in d clinches and i doubt even this .
Jeffries was strong , had good stamina and was n impressing athlete but punching power was not 1 of his strengths , at least not as 1 would have expected from a man of his size competing against much older and smaller opponents while using extremely thin gloves . Jeffries was a featherfisted strong man . Regarding his stamina he never had 2 match it over d distance in clinches and shoves with some1 like Ali , Norton , Foreman , Holmes , Holyfield , Bowe or even with some1 like Shavers , Stander , Quarry or James Toney .
Think about it and SMW Toney would have been 1 of Jeffries' strongest , hardest punching and d single most durable 4 sure (he sparred Lamon Brewster back then) opponents .
Going on about his slickness , counterpunching , infighting and technique will b outside of this thread's interest right now , just note that until Jack Johnson's era and including , most of d top contenders would not have allowed 2 compete at heavyweight because even if they filled their bellies with water/beer they could not weigh high enough , and remember that d opposite is some 100000:1 more common , and I mean dehydration and cutting weight of course .
Jeffries , Johnson and their predecessors barely fought heavyweights and would not have been considered heavyweights under 2day's standrads .
Jeffries might have been a vastly undersized heavy if he chose being such rather than a strong cruiserweight .

 

1--Baer and Jeffries--I take you agree with me that Jeff was probably the "bigger" man.

2--Norton, Foreman, Shavers, Stander, Quarry, Garcia, Toney, etc--what have any of these men to do with Baer, who fought in the thirties, not the seventies.

3--"Jeffries, Johnson and their predecessors barely fought heavyweights and would not have been considered heavyweights under 2day's standards"--So. They would have been considered heavyweights under the standards of Baer's day. And, most importantly, they were considered heavyweights under the standards of their own time, the only standards which matter, actually, to anyone.

4--Mickey Walker, a puffed up middleweight (or is that welterweight), of Baer's time defeated Risko and Uzcudun, who in turn defeated Baer.

 

Don't have the time or compulsion to read what is surely 5 pages of inanities... so I will state my choice in Baer KO'ing Jeffries in 11 rounds, battering his face into mincemeat with aggressive attack while Jeff waits to win the battle of attrition. Jeff is bewildered even by Baer's skill level and gets caught with winging rights repeatedly. Post fight, he is recommended to retire by his physicians.