Jim Jefferies vs. Max Schmeling

Max was 19 in his 5th pro fight when Diekmann stopped him on a tko,I have no info on this ,it might have been a cut eye for eg.Max was stopped twice more as a LH,once by Gains,when he was 20,once by Daniels ,when he was caught cold ,he had decisioned Daniels three months previously.Twice Schmeling was kod at Heavy ,both times by World Champions,Baer and Louis ,terrific punchers ,he went into the tenth with Baer before being stopped and was on the slide when the Bomber took him out in one.
I think Jeffries probably outlasts and wears down the German ,over twenty rounds ,but its by no means certain ,smaller men went longer with Jeffries,its entirely possible Schmeling could build up an early lead with his better boxing and survive to take a decision,Jeffries didnt hit like Baer and Louis.

 

What I am saying is that there have been a lot of fighters that lacked durability in their amateur careers and developed it later on.

Based on the fact that Schmeling was only stopped by elite punchers at heavyweight you would have to conclude that either his chin improved dramaticaly or that his defence was almost inpregnable.

I lean towards the latter.

 

And not only their amateur careers,some fighters ,as they gain weight and mature into their physiques are more resistant to Kos ,Ali was dropped by Banks and Cooper when he weighed under 208,yet Liston ,Foster ,Lyle,Foreman,Norton and Shavers couldnt duplicate this feat.Its interesting that Schmeling who fought into his 40s wasnt kod by hard punchers like Neusel ,even though he was 43 at the time .Maybe its a combination of improved durability owing to maturity,and defence ,owing to experience.

 

Nah. Schemling did not face many punchers outside of Louis and Bear. You could say Schemling beat Hamas, but it was Hamas last fight. I don't think Stribling was a top puncher at heavyweight.

I think Schemling had an amatuer career. I'll see if I can dig up his record.

 

Max fought Hamas twice ,neither time was he stopped.

 

Schmeling was a teenager in his 16th pro bou when he fought larry gains, you can't expect schmeling not to be green!!!!

 

Hamas came into the fight with Schmeling as the #1 contender. It was his last fight because he took such a beating from Schmeling that he was never able to fight again.

 

Seeing how much supermiddleweights troubled jeffries, a 6'1 195lber like schmeling could give jeffries boatloads of trouble, and upset him. jeffries was not aggresive and did not use his size/strength on smaller men well

 

Jeffries did not use his size/strenght on smaller men well? Oh boy. I hope you get that right by 2025:nono

 

It is not often comented on but Schmeling ruined a fair few fighters.

 

No he did not........or else he would have blasted those supermiddleweights/lightheavyweights out in 2-3 rounds like foreman and liston would have done..........but jeffries struggled vividly with them.


You think Tom Sharkey would last the limit with george foreman?

you think a 40 year old inactive bob fitzimmons would outslug liston, survive 11 rounds?

you think a 163lb choynski would fight to a draw with mike tyson?




Jeffries had what we like to call "weight lifter strength" but he did not have functional strength. he had boatloads of trouble pushing around and dominating much smaller men.

 

On Schmeling's chin, i don't think it was bad but it was a bit suspect nevertheless. During some of Schmeling's career-early KO losses he was indeed somewhat green and young, but exactly the same goes for the careers of many of his counterparts, say Sharkey, Baer, Uczudun, Carnera et al. None of them suffered those early round KO losses and on top of that, he lost every fight by knockout. There's no shame in getting stopped by Louis, but many average fighters got further than he did in the rematch. Of course he beat him in their first fight which is why i say his chin isn't bad, but i don't think it would be unreasonable to say Jeffries knocks him out.

Over 15 rounds i'd take Schmeling by decision. 20 rounds is a tossup in my opinion and over 25 or more, i'd favor Jeffries.



Contrary to most people here, i do consider Max by stoppage a definite possiblity. His boxing technique is much more modern than all of Jeffries opponents, plus most of Jim's opposition was old or a lot smaller. A stoppage on cuts or knockdowns is possible in my opinion.

 

most of max schmelings top wins joe louis, steve hamas, walter neusal, young stribling, mickey walker, johnny risko all came by knockout. he is a very underated puncher

 

Yes he was **** in the first Louis fight