Jim Jeffries beat Fitz, Sharkey and Corbett in under 12 months

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is one aspect of Jeffries title reign that often gets forgotten.

    After winning the title from Bob Fitzsimmons he defeated Tom Sharkey and Jim Corbett in under 12 months.

    This effectivley means that he beat the three best heavyweights on the planet inside of a year!
     
  2. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I think this gets overlooked admidst the
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    over the Finnegan tune-up.:patsch

    Also, Jeffries pulled it off with a somewhat bum left-arm for the two defenses.

    but, as the Buddha said, "The world will always find a way to praise and a way to blame; it always has and always will."
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    1. That is impressive

    2. Do you mean 3 best white heavyweights on the planet?
     
  4. McGrain

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    Who you got?
     
  5. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is this unique?

    Joe Louis--Beat Braddock, Farr, and Schmeling within 12 months, as well as Mann and Thomas.

    Rocky Marciano--Beat Louis, Matthews, and Walcott within 12 months, as well as Savold, Buonvino, and Reynolds.

    Jack Dempsey--beat Fulton, Levinsky, and Willard within 12 months, as well as Gunboat Smith.

    Muhammad Ali--beat Liston, Patterson, and Chuvalo within 12 months.
    Also beat Norton, Frazier, and Foreman within about 14 months.

    Seems many champions have done this sort of thing.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Could you make the case that any of the above actualy fought the three best heavyweights in the world over the periods in question?

    I would say close but no cigar to all.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

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    Well it is certainly much harder to make a case for jeffries doing that, since when jeffries fought, the color line was being drawn. When Ali, Louis, Marciano accomplished this feat...there was no color line. Did Sharkey, or Fitz ever fight a black contender? Corbett fought a great one, but in a different era. Fitz fought 4 black men, none were contenders. That 1898-1904 period..When did these three take on black contenders? Their were some good ones out there.

    Nonetheless,

    An impressive display by Jeff.
     
  8. janitor

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    A fair question.

    The best black contender over this 12 month period was probably Frank Childs. Denver Ed Martin would be a force during Jeffries title reign, but for my money he had not yet hit his stride during this period.

    So you decide.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    I think more impressive than Jeffries' was Tyson.

    Mike Tyson in a period of 12 months from Nov 1986 to Nov 1987 defeated WBC Champion Trevor Berbick, WBA champion Bonecrusher Smith, Top Contender Pinklon Thomas, and IBF champion Tony Tucker.


    What champion in boxing history started from scratch to win one belt...then unified all 3 belts (including a dominant win over a top ranked contender in between) in a total of one year?

    I doubt anyone in history besides Tyson since Alphabet soup was formed. Holmes had 7 years to unify one belt and couldn't do that. Lennox and holyfield didn't go through each alpha champ one by one to unify their titles.
     
  10. OLD FOGEY

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    Ali did, I think--Norton, Frazier, and Foreman.

    Dempsey--no. Wills would have to be in there.

    Marciano--no. Charles would have to be in there.

    Louis--Yes. I think I can make a good case. The yearly ratings for 1937 had Schmeling, Farr, and Mann the three top contenders for Louis' title. Braddock had been the champion and would still beat Farr. Both Braddock and Farr had beaten Baer.


    On Jeffries--You can make a case that these were the three most famous heavyweights, but not necessarily the three best. Fitz obviously was top of the line, but Corbett had been laying off and hadn't won a fight in years and had not beaten a top man since Mitchell in 1894. Sharkey might have been one of the top three fighters, but the ko by Ruhlin in June of 1900 dropped him from that status. By the end of the summer, he had also been ko'd by Fitz.

    Bottom line--I think Ali's wins over Norton, Frazier, and Foreman are more impressive.

    Louis and Marciano actually had more fights against top men in such a constricted time span.

    That said, I think Jeffries' feat is indeed impressive and only a handful of the best champions have done something like this.
     
  11. bodhi

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    What champion had a promoter that had the power to pull this off?
     
  12. janitor

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    I could argue that if the only counter examples you are able to produce are meseurs Barrows and Clay, then that paints Jeffries in a verry positive light. They are after all the consensus #1 and #2.

    While Louis might have beaten the top 3 ranked contenders in a 12 month period, I don't think that anybody would argue that Mann was better than Max Baer for example. In the case of Ali, there is a strong argument that he did indeed beat the top 3 boys as you suggest.

    Sharkey was riding high going into the Jeffries fight having beaten a couple of name fighters, and was seen as the natural challenger.

    Corbett had been inactive on paper but he had actualy been in training for a year for the fight, and was in much better condition than when he fought Sharkey. Bottom line, he would probably have beaten anybody except Jeffries, Fitz and Sharkey.

    Jeffries in many ways was the prototype for champions like Louis, Marciano, and Ali who aimed to clean out the top contenders. He established the standard.
     
  13. OLD FOGEY

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    "Jeffries in many ways was the prototype for champions like Louis, Marciano, and Ali who aimed to clean out the top contenders. He established the standard."

    Good point.
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    I would like to harp on the point about Corbett in 1900. The man had not won a fight in nearly 6 years, and that happened to be against a man weighing 165lb. How could he even be considered a contender anymore? The man had not won a fight in 6 years, that is a whale of a long time not to record a win. Perhaps Johnson should get more credit for beating Jeffries. Jeffries had not won a fight in 6 years either.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Um, who were better than Corbett, Fitz, and Sharkey in 1899-1900?

    Don't say Peter Jackson, as he was already KO;d by Jeffries and done for.