Jim Jeffries Say's He Was Behind Against Corbett

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  1. Mendoza

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    A couple of seldom discussed points.

    This fight took place in a huge 25x25 ring which benefited Corbett.

    Jeffries strategy in long matches was to increase his out put as the rounds went on. If this was a 20 or 15 round fight Jeffries likely ups the ante sooner than he did in this 25 round scheduled fight.

    Corbett manager Brady who also managed Jeffries clearly said he was more fond of Corbett as the two shared similar outside the ring interests, most notably theater. Ryan also had a falling out with Jeffries. As such neither opinion is unbiased.

    This was a ko. Corbett who had taken big shots from Choynski and Jackson could not weather Jeffries body and head attack. I have read enough round by round reports which were posted here in other threads which say the tide was Jeffries and the scoring as we would see it today on a 10 point system was close to even or in Jeffries favor.
     
  2. mcvey

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    This is plain bull**** because Jeffries bet on himself to stop Corbett inside 10rounds something he admitted to in that link. Brady getting up on the ring apron and throwing Ryan out of the corner telling Jeffries he needed a ko to win isn't biased its an emphatic confirmation that Jeffries was behind in the scoring, something he himself freely admitted to .
    Your'e full of it.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Nothing funnier than a bs king like yourself calling someone out. Prove what I wrote in the last post was false.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Your premise is that Jeffries took his time in the fight and that had it been scheduled for a shorter distance he would have upped the tempo.This is exposed as rubbish because Jeffries backers and himself bet heavily that he would stop Corbett inside 10rounds.Therefore he had a vested financial interest in stopping Corbett as early as he could it isn't rocket science.

    Let's compare the fighters:

    Jeffries was 25 years old having his 16th fight he weighed 218lbs.
    Corbett was 33 years old having his 19th fight he weighed 188lbs.
    Jeffries had fought a month earlier,a mis- match against John Finnegan.

    Corbett hadn't had a fight for a year and a half.
    Jeffries was unbeaten.
    Corbett had lost his last 2 fights, being kod in one and on the verge of being stopped in the other when his second deliberately entered the ring causing his DSQ to save him from a stoppage defeat.
    Corbett had not won a fight for 6 years, yes that's right SIX YEARS!
    That was over a past it middleweight whose best weight was in the 150lbs's range , a middleweight who would have one more abortive fight after and then retire.
    So Corbett is conceding 30lbs in weight,and 8 years in age plus he is coming out of a year and a half's retirement after 2 inside the distance defeats ,not having won a fight for 6 years, yet by Jeffries own admission
    this man is in front at the time of the stoppage.

    And this is one of Jeffries most celebrated victories?

    Oh on Corbett taking Choynski and Jackson's punches without being stopped.
    Choynski was a novice when he fought Corbett,whilst Corbett was sparring and training nightly as the instructor of the local AC.
    Corbett was in his prime when he fought Jackson in a fight that occurred NINE YEARS EARLIER .
    Corbett was 23 and unbeaten when he fought Jackson.
    He was 33 had lost his 2 previous fights ,and was coming out of extended retirement when he faced Jeffries.
    Spot the difference?

    It's also likely that Jackson was slightly past his prime .

    Iv'e produced Jeffries own testimony,and several contemporary fight reports.
    You have produced JACK ****.As per usual.

    Have I missed anything?:lol:
     
  5. Meazy-E

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    You are challenging the general consensus that Jeffries was losing. That is the widely accepted version of the events. You are making a claim that challenges this. Saying "prove I'm wrong" does not add validity to your point, you have yet to provide sources.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Mendoza has never provided a primary source to back up his statements since he has been here.

    Prove I'm wrong? :huh The onus is on him to prove everyone else wrong,and that he will not do.:-(
     
  7. Meazy-E

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    Yeah, my comment was directed forward just so there isn't any conusion.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes I know M, just reiterating how he thinks.:good
     
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  10. Flea Man

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    The press gave Jeffries credit as Cirbett appeared revitalised.

    Way sharper than he looked against Fitz and Sharkey.
     
  11. mcvey

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    They didnt give Jeffries credit actually, he was panned for not finishing off Corbett earlier.As Jeffries says in the link I provided ,the press didnt take into account the fight that Corbett put up.
    Corbett couldn't help but look better than he had against Sharkey who was all over him in their bout. Bottom line, Corbett had not won a fight in 6 years! Nor fought for a year and a half.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    You bore me old man. Ever hear of the race horse Secrateriat? The horse had great speed and stamina and often was behind at the half way point before making his move. A dolt like yourself would think the horse was in danger of losing the race had it been shorter. Sometimes the horse used speed and blew them away. Other times he waited for the right moment to make his move

    Jeffries had great stamina and knew when to increase the out put.

    Corbetts people said this was his best ring effort. It was not enough. Everything I wrote was true. I posted several reports to show how close it was prior to the stoppage. You ignore them.

    One final word. In sports how you finish matters, and even more so in boxing. Jeffries closed strong. If Corbett somehow lasted the distance he would lose the decision.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Do I really need to repost what the ny times and other papers said. There are a few threads. Do a search. If you can't find them I'll take time out a post it in this thread. here. Deal?

    To be clear other people besides myself using the rounds the papers scored concluded the right was very close prior to stoppage. If you use the ten point must system, Jeffries is tied or in the lead with Corbett badly fading. If Corbett somehow survived he loses 23, 24, and 25.

    If you want to us Adam pollack's words ( he wrote a book on both men ) he said it was anyone's fight going into round 23.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Never heard of a racehorse called Secrateriat, but I'm familiar with one called SECRETARIAT :lol: he won the triple crown in 1973.

    I've shown links in which Jim jeffries himself says he was behind in the fight and that if he had not kod Corbett he would have lost his crown,a position that his manager William Brady agreed with .
    Jeffries said Corbett was 2 rounds away from being champion.

    I produced several papers that say the same thing.

    Now you are implying with your race horse analogy, that though Jeffries was behind he was going to close with a rush .

    You dont think Corbett's ****iness had something to do with the outcome?
    Jeffries states so easily was Corbett outboxing him that he began to taunt Jeffries,and went for the ko.

    Along with this we have to factor in that Corbett had not fought for a year and a half and was 9 years the older man he was probably slowing in the later stages.

    Do you think Jeffries planned to be behind after 20 rounds?

    If so,why would he have bet heavily on himself to win by stoppage in ten rounds if he did?
    You have no answers ,only a ridiculous horse racing analogy about a thoroughbred whose name you can't even spell correctly.


    Anyone else's argument would be totally discredited now, but yours isn't because you've never had any credibility to lose.:lol:

    How desperately ridiculous are you?:patsch
    NB How you finish matters? Secretariat lost a couple, Sham beat him in the Wood Memorial,when he had an abcess on his lip ,[a defeat avenged in the Preakness when Secretariat broke the world record running a time of 2min and 24 seconds and winning by 31 lengths].Possibly the greatest race a thoroughbred ever put up.

    Secretariat was also beaten at Saratoga.

    Secretariat won:
    Kentucky Derby 1973
    Preakness Stakes 1973
    Belmont Stakes 1973
    Man O 'War Stakes 1973
    Canadian International Stakes1973
    Champagne Stakes1972
    Laurel Futurity 1972
    The Garden State 1972
    Hopeful Stakes 1972
    The Futurity1972
    Sixteen races in total for $1,316,808 in prize money



    In retirement the horse was put out to stud but was found to be afflicted with spermatogonia [immature sperm].The condition later righted itself.

    I have a couple of his races on tape and two books with passages dedicated to him.
    So Rainman , that's another subject I know more about than you do .:good
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Here is a detailed round by round report on a primary source as the fight took place in New York.

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...639C946197D6CF[/url]'

    Scored by Gullah at ESB



    Round One: I had it for Corbett (1-0 Corbett).

    Round Two: Jeffries, but arguably even (1-1)

    Round Three: Jeffries (2-1, Jeffries)

    Round Four: Decidedly Jeffries (3-1 Jeffries)

    Round Five: Jeffries (Jeffries took the start of the round, Corbett the middle, Jeffries the end) (4-1 Jeffries)

    Round Six: Jeffries (5-1 Jeffries)

    Round Seven: Decidedly Jeffries (6-1 Jeffries) -- however this is the first round where Jeffries is described as punching in a wild manner -- see also rounds 8, 10 and 15

    Round Eight: I gave this to Corbett, though arguments could be made for scoring the round even, or even giving it to Jeffries (6-2 Jeffries)

    Round Nine: Corbett by a fair margin -- borderline two-point round (6-3 Jeffries)

    Round Ten: Decidedly Corbett (6-4 Jeffries)

    Round Eleven: Corbett by a fair margin -- borderline two-point round (6-5 Jeffries)

    Round Twelve: Corbett, but arguably even (6-6) NYT reports there was even betting at this point

    Round Thirteen: Jeffries (7-6 Jeffries)

    Round Fourteen: Corbett (7-7)

    Round Fifteen: Corbett (8-7 Corbett)

    Round Sixteen: Even, but arguably for Jeffries (8-7-1 Corbett)

    Round Seventeen: Jeffries, but arguably even -- both fighters effective, NYT called the round Jeffries' (8-8-1)

    Round Eighteen: Corbett (9-8-1 Corbett)

    Round Nineteen: Jeffries -- Jeffries knocks down Corbett and also generally has the better of the round (9-9-1)

    Round Twenty: Corbett (10-9-1 Corbett)

    Round Twenty-one: Even, but arguable could have been scored for either fighter (10-9-2 Corbett)

    Round Twenty-two: Jeffries -- NYT also states that Corbett was weakening (10-10-2)


    >>Now, if you add in the knockdown as a 10-8 round as we score today, Jeffries was in the lead prior to the KO.

    OR if you prefer to score as they did back in the day when finishing strong meant a lot to a fight, Jeffries was in the lead.