Jim Jeffries sparring clip

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    https://streamable.com/igcu

    Jim Jeffries, the Heavyweight Champion of the 1890's, sparring. In this clip he shows his fast footwork, he ducks and dodges punches, and lands quick counters.
     
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  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Yeah the whole clip is amazing. I trimmed the clip I posted because I thought it was a really impressive segment. Especially when he dodges a punch leaning backwards, and instantly slips another punch. It's Mayweather esque.
     
  4. mcvey

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    I don't like his habit of leaning back from hooks and looking good against his useless brother isn't a bench mark for boxing prowess,imo.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Cox adds 2.5inches to Jeffries height, I don't see what's good about that.:huh His "fastest knockout", was scored over John Finnegan, the worst heavyweight title defence ever.

    Finnegan, referred to by one paper as "The Human Punching Bag," was one of Jeffries's sparring partners at the time.
    "Finnegan landed the first blow as they came to the center of the ring, and Jeffries then put his left on the Pittsburgh man's jaw and he went to the floor. Finnegan came up in a few seconds only to be sent to the floor again with a blow in the same place. He stayed down longer this time and when he again rose he was in visible distress. He had hardly assumed a fighting position before the champion put his left in the pit of his stomach and Finnegan went down completely out. Referee Siler counted the seconds off and when he stepped back it was seen that Finnegan was crying. He staggered to his feet, reeled against the ropes and his seconds rushed into the ring and carried him to his corner. It was several minutes before he recovered sufficiently to leave the ring. Jeffries said he weighed 220, but he looked 30 pounds heavier. Finnegan weighed but 180, and he looked like a boy beside the champion." Brooklyn Daily Eagle.
    In his previous fight Finnegan had been ko'd in one round by Gus Ruhlin.It rather puts his knockout by Jeffries in perspective.
     
  6. Nighttrain

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    Wow, the Cus D'Amato quote is gibberish.
     
  7. Seamus

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    He doesn't look very good at all. He totally concedes range to throw silly little hooks where a jab or god forbid a lead right would do better.

    This just isn't compelling evidence of greatness.
     
  8. turpinr

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    his left hooks look like he was demonstrating how not to throw them.
    All that clip demonstrates is that people not thinking boxing has evolved are just wrong.
     
  9. reznick

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    Sigh

    You guys just don't get it do you?
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He's doing that while moving with speed and grace. Sigh

    His brother knows how to throw good punches, and made it far enough to fight Johnson sigh
     
  11. reznick

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    Sigh

    A couple punches you can't really interpret. Could've been power punches. Could be playful taps to show superiority. Could be just solid punches.
    Using it to deny greatness of past boxers? Sigh
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He may have been great in the 1890s just like the Archers at Agincourt were great in their day but times have changed
     
  13. mcvey

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    His brother Jack was total cack.
    See you get a rhyming couplet thrown in for free .
    Here is his record.



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    2 1900-06-12
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    1 1900-05-29
    Jack Beauscholte 3 2 1







    Tattersall's, Chicago, Illinois, USA W KO

    4 fights won 1.:patsch

    Johnson knocked him spark out and leaned over the ropes and said to Jeffries ."I can do you the same way". In referring to the punch that knocked his brother senseless Jeffries said ,"gee that was an almighty thump". Like most, I started to learn boxing as a kid ,my old trainer would have thrown me out of the gym if I had leaned away from left hooks like that.:-(
     
  14. Perry

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    Wonderful clip. Note the beautiful ducking of hooks and subtle stepping to the right. This avoids the incoming blow and puts him out of range for follow up punches. This was a Jeffries trademark.
     
  15. kingfisher3

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    moving back from a hook is bad news in theory(and often in practice) but other crude old timers like ali and robinson, along with a bunch of modern guys, did/do it too, so i'm going to assume he probably knew what he was doing, especially against an opponent he was this familliar with.